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Post by johnnypc on Apr 1, 2019 12:49:53 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for Fr. Shanley He made a lot of decisions for the betterment of the College. He has had to deal with Parents, students , professors and all of the internal and external politics. Under his leadership The college greatly improved students, professors and athletics. The next President has large shoes to fill. Thank you Fr. Shanley you have had a great run. I wish you the best and hope you have health and happiness in whatever your next assignment is. I know there is much work you want to accomplish in your remaining tenure. .Go FrIars !
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Post by drairf on Apr 1, 2019 12:56:17 GMT -5
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Post by connfriar on Apr 1, 2019 14:02:41 GMT -5
Draif...you've dragged Scout's issues onto this board and now you're dragging this Providence College issue onto this board. It's quite obvious that you're looking for a reaction.
So, here's mine.
You're an
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Post by rooster on Apr 1, 2019 15:27:12 GMT -5
I get so aggravated at the Smith revisionist history. he lived athletics. hate to pull a Lloyd Bentsen but I would understand it if people were afraid of another Fr Cunningham. he was NOT a sports guy. Keep in mind Fr Smith canned Marinatto and took MUCHO shite for it. The guy he hired was Driscoll. And If you think Shanley would have kept baseball you are on drugs. Just my opinion. . Father Smith does get a bad rap a lot of the times. Though he was not huge sports guy, he did get the school on a good solid footing for an academic reputation, and was behind big campus projects like the chapel and the performing arts center, which now bears his name. And he did hire Driscoll. You could tell he really never wanted the job - was sorta drafted into it, and was more then happy when his "tour of duty" was over. The Father Cunningham days were the true - "what's going on here.." days. In no way do I know the whole story, but I've always been led to believe that this past term for Father Shanley was a true "bonus" term, because of the great job he has done. And this would give him the honor of being the longest serving president. A 4th term was always wishful thinking. Again, don't know if he wanted to stay even more or not, but it's a super tough 24-7 job, and you can tell how the job has worn on him - ie, his recent sabbatical to recharge. He deserves to do whatever he wants to - if he did want to stay, I wish he could have - if he wants to try something else, I hope he's happy in that. What he's done for the school over the last 15 years is truly remarkable. With all that, the next president must keep the momentum going for the overall School, and in regards for this board - the athletic programs. Names you hear.. Father Sicard, who has been Father Shanley's right-hand man as CFO. He may not be the biggest "sports guy", but he knows how important they are to the school, and he knows how to use the money for them. He's gotten the money worked out for a lot of these big athletic projects. A name the athletic department would be happy with has to be Father Cuddy. He bleeds PC, and is at every game for every sport. He is younger (class of '98), and I'm not sure of his advanced degrees (which can be important for the president's gig), but he's a bit of a rising star in the Dominican's. He is on the Executive Committee of the Dominican Friars Foundation (he's the treasurer) - serving directly under the president of the Dominicans, Father Letoile. And at PC he is a Vice President in charge of Mission & Ministry. Whoever it is, huge shoes to fill with Father Shanley. He's still here for a while (2020), so lots of time to thank him, and figure out the next steps.
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Post by themick on Apr 1, 2019 16:43:10 GMT -5
John Sweeney is the CFO IIRC
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Post by rooster on Apr 1, 2019 16:53:11 GMT -5
John Sweeney is the CFO IIRC You're right, Father Sicard's title is EVP/Treasurer. He has a finance background before becoming a priest.
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Post by themick on Apr 1, 2019 17:01:37 GMT -5
Draif...you've dragged Scout's issues onto this board and now you're dragging this Providence College issue onto this board. It's quite obvious that you're looking for a reaction. So, here's mine. You're an $&@?&$. Screw you Conn. Boston started this thread and it’s pretty important to the school and the athletics. GoLocalProv has a letter from the Board. This issue doesn’t appear to be going away.
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Post by connfriar on Apr 1, 2019 18:58:35 GMT -5
Draif...you've dragged Scout's issues onto this board and now you're dragging this Providence College issue onto this board. It's quite obvious that you're looking for a reaction. So, here's mine. You're an .[$&@?&$./quote]Screw you Conn. Boston started this thread and it’s pretty important to the school and the athletics. GoLocalProv has a letter from the Board. This issue doesn’t appear to be going away. Get back to your favorite past time... on our players.
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Post by 5thirty on Apr 2, 2019 9:47:33 GMT -5
While the discussion started with the impact the loss that Father Shanley would have on the future of sports, it quickly delved into all the other positive things he had done for the school (as message boards are prone to) long before Drairf's post. I was tempted to counterbalance the praise myself but hesitated.
Father Shanley has done great things for the school on the aggregate and unequivocally will be missed. But I am not surprised as to the speculation on direction of the school Post-Shanley ie getting back to Catholic values.
My only issue with Father Shanley is that he espouses wanting to hear the other side regarding topics like abortion and same sex marriage but seemingly shut down the discussion when it revolved around the topic of diversity. Some might say he kowtowed to the mob which eventually resulted in losing a great Professor in Tony Esolen, who no doubt is also sorely missed by the school. He's a little inconsistent and that's been disappointing for at least this alum. Ultimately, I think he's adapting for what he believes is for the sake of the future of the institution but hopefully not at the sake of the core purpose of the school: to teach in the Catholic tradition. Everything else is superfluous.
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Post by drairf on Apr 2, 2019 11:40:33 GMT -5
Draif...you've dragged Scout's issues onto this board and now you're dragging this Providence College issue onto this board. It's quite obvious that you're looking for a reaction. So, here's mine. You're a$&@?&$. Here is mine: you’re a whiny $&@?&$.
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Post by rooster on Apr 2, 2019 11:44:28 GMT -5
My only issue with Father Shanley is that he espouses wanting to hear the other side regarding topics like abortion and same sex marriage but seemingly shut down the discussion when it revolved around the topic of diversity. Some might say he kowtowed to the mob which eventually resulted in losing a great Professor in Tony Esolen, who no doubt is also sorely missed by the school. He's a little inconsistent and that's been disappointing for at least this alum. Ultimately, I think he's adapting for what he believes is for the sake of the future of the institution but hopefully not at the sake of the core purpose of the school: to teach in the Catholic tradition. Everything else is superfluous. ..and a lot of folks (students, faculty, alumni) thought Esolen was crackpot nut job that wanted to keep the school in the 1950's
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Post by drairf on Apr 2, 2019 12:17:34 GMT -5
My only issue with Father Shanley is that he espouses wanting to hear the other side regarding topics like abortion and same sex marriage but seemingly shut down the discussion when it revolved around the topic of diversity. Some might say he kowtowed to the mob which eventually resulted in losing a great Professor in Tony Esolen, who no doubt is also sorely missed by the school. He's a little inconsistent and that's been disappointing for at least this alum. Ultimately, I think he's adapting for what he believes is for the sake of the future of the institution but hopefully not at the sake of the core purpose of the school: to teach in the Catholic tradition. Everything else is superfluous. ..and a lot of folks (students, faculty, alumni) thought Esolen was crackpot nut job that wanted to keep the school in the 1950's To both of your view points, the sole reason I posted the link to the issue about same sex marriage at PC was to point out the difficult job all future presidents of PC will face. It is a very small sample of the very real challenges this job will entail going forward. Shanley was in a very difficult position when these real world issues reared their head. The President of PC will have to strike the balance between keeping the Dominicans happy while also preventing PC from being viewed as a college that is unable to keep pace with the rapid social changes that will continue in our world. If they choose to trend back to the church roots and teachings, this will obviously impact the number and quality of applicants. Our student base is pulled from the northeast and the brightest from this region will want to be in an inclusive environment open to intelligent discourse (although often it seems they are only open to discussing their own view point - also not healthy).
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Post by lowcountryfriar on Apr 2, 2019 15:01:36 GMT -5
Some very good dialog in this thread. Whatever side you stand on, I believe it speaks to the difficulty of being in the top spot at PC.
I am conflicted about the extra term issue; he will be the longest tenured president in school history in 2020. It wears on you mentally and physically, and might be one of the main concerns of the Dominicans. Perhaps there is the perfect successor waiting in the wings.
I did did not follow the issue of the philosophy professor, but the RA situation garnered some national attention. I will say that as an alum, albeit an older one, that the optics of that story did not put PC in the best light. I can only imagine the number of calls, emails and meetings he fielded during last spring. After 13+ years of these types of issues, at least Fr. Shanley can see the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.
It is completely reasonable to be anxious about the repercussions of the announcement. It is also reasonable to expect that those in a position to guide the college will do so in a manner that will continue to move PC forward on all fronts, sports included.
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Post by dex on Apr 30, 2019 8:17:57 GMT -5
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Post by friar82 on Apr 30, 2019 12:03:44 GMT -5
Very nice. $2M and another $2M to follow. Any idea how much Phase 2 of the Friar Development Center's slated to cost?
And to your point - Yes! Let's hope that this won't be a first "Major Gifts/Fundraising & Athletics - Rodeo" for Father Shanley's - successor!
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