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[pc1971]

Thanks for sharing this article DEX.

Statements like this from the Big Football powers concern me a great deal.

[thewalk]

haven't run the scenarios in a while but i believe a 16 team over 4 conference system for football (64 total) would cut some basketball teams in major conferences...not sure if the dukes/BCs/Wakes make the cut.

[dex]

Maybe I am missing something but I don't understand why a BC foe example would have to leave the ACC? If that's what you are saying.

[thewalk]

The 4 -16 team power conference speculation from last summer had the acc being raided for football powers...bc would remain in the acc...but the acc wouldn't have a seat at the head table

[dex]

undedrstood walk

[pembroke04]

Headline on SI.com:

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130722/big-12-bob-bowlsby-ncaa/?sct=hp_t13_a3&eref=sihp

I disagree that the general public would welcome their exclusive basketball tournament with open arms:

"The other leverage is the NCAA men's basketball tournament. The public loves Cinderella, but the tournament, which under its current contract generates an average of $770 million a year in television rights fees, probably would draw almost as much if the money schools formed their own division and only played one another in their championship. We love when Florida Gulf Coast wins, but we tune in to see Kansas, Ohio State and Kentucky. The have-nots don't want to lose their access to that cash cow, which is why allowing the money leagues to form a separate football subdivision makes more sense."

Either way, it's time for the NCAA to make some moves to keep everything from falling apart. Football brings in the cash, so I think the football schools would be happy if their demands are met on that side of things.

[dex]

digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODE/ProJo/

Gentlemen, the War Drums are getting louder and louder. The creeps at the ncaa will have to capitulate issue by issue year by year in order to remain "in charge'....but we all know who will really be in charge, IF the whole 80 of them don't secede altogether.


COLLEGE FOOTBALL

Top conferences want NCAA to even playing field

One key issue is the discrepancy in financial resources among competing schools

By STEPHEN HAWKINS ASSOCIATED PRESS

DALLAS — Big 12 Commissioner Bob Bowlsby said Monday there is “unanimity” among leaders from five power conferences that significant changes are needed now in the NCAA.

“We all have a sense that transformative change is going to have to happen,” Bowls-by said at the start of the Big 12’s football media days. “This is not a time when trimming around the edges is going to make very much difference.”

Bowlsby and the commissioners of the SEC, Big Ten, Pac 12 and ACC met about six weeks ago to discuss issues, including an NCAA legislative system that makes it difficult to enact substantial changes or enforce the rules in place. There are also huge gaps in resources between schools in the same divisions.

SEC Commissioner Mike Slive, whose league has won the last seven national titles in football, delivered a similar message last week at his league’s media days.
“It’s bad grammar but a good concept: If we always do what we’ve always done, we’ll always get what we’ve always got,” Bowlsby said. “That’s kind of where we are right now.”

ACC Commissioner John Swofford also addressed the issue Monday, saying significant changes could be put in place when the NCAA has its annual convention in January . Bowlsby even indicated the possibility of a special convention.

Before taking over as the Big 12 commissioner just more than a year ago, Bowls-by had been a long-time athletic director — serving at Stanford, Iowa and Northern Iowa. Bowlsby said his thoughts about the NCAA are “driven by frustration more than anything else. And that’s been a frustration that’s grown over the last 15 years.”
A real consideration could be a separate division for the top football-playing schools, for which Bowlsby said he is listening and learning about many different models.
Therein lies what can become another difficult issue: determining who would be part of such a division.

“If you begin trying to put together homogeneous groups, somebody gets included, and somebody gets left out. … Wherever you draw those lines, if they’re bright lines, you have controversy,” he said. “I’m pretty dyed in the wool of the NCAA, and I believe with all my heart that a solution inside the organization is the right one. Whether Division IV is the right one, the devil’s in the details.”
Among other possible changes Bowlsby suggested was to consider segregation by “size and scope” or maybe by sport.
“There are about 75 schools that win 90 percent of the championships in the NCAA, and we have a whole bunch of others that don’t look much like the people in our league, but yet through rule variation they’re trying to compete with us,” Bowlsby said.
Bowlsby said it has become too easy for schools to get into Division I — and too easy to stay there.

“There are programs that have $3 million budgets and programs that have $160 million budgets. How do you begin to try and do things that are good for one that are also good for the other?” he said. “I don’t know how you go about solving problems other than get like-minded people together and trying to come up with a solution.”
On the idea of federation by sport, Bowlsby said, “it’s probably unrealistic to think that we can manage football and field hockey by the same set of rules. I think some kind of reconfiguration of how we govern is in order.”

Even with all the issues and the difficulty so far in trying to solve them, Bowlsby said he has not heard anyone talking about seceding from the NCAA. He could see that as a legitimate threat only “as a last resort.”
Bowlsby said he was not being critical of NCAA President Mark Emmert, but rather “critical of an organization that’s just not very efficient.” Bowlsby described it as organization with very broad-ranging responsibility and oversight, one in which he believes commissioners and athletic directors should have more involvement in developing the agenda.

“We need to think a little bit about reevaluating our core purpose,” Bowlsby said. “I’m not sure we’re doing as good a job with some of the core competencies as we need do. And perhaps a narrower focus would help.”

[thumper]

Was all this talk a moot point? From NBC Sports - ProHockeyTalk ...


Madison Square Garden told it has 10 years to move


Jason Brough

Jul 25, 2013, 11:01 AM EDT

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In what the New York Times describes as “an eviction notice of sorts,” Madison Square Garden — the home of the New York Rangers — has been given 10 years to vacate the premises so that the city can build a new Penn Station.

The arena’s owners, the Madison Square Garden Company — which also owns the Rangers and NBA’s Knicks — had wanted an operating permit in perpetuity. However, the Council voted, 47 to 1, for a decade-long limit.

All this comes as the Garden is completing a three-year renovation with a cost of nearly $1 billion.

How this all plays out remains to be seen. As the Times noted in June, “Even with the Council’s nudge, it will take leadership from Governor Andrew Cuomo and from Washington to move the Garden and re-make the station into a safer, more suitable gateway to New York.”


PIZZA, SODA GRINDERS!!!

[dmac80]

Who are the executives who gave the green light and or planned the 1 billion dollar renovation with the long term location not a settled matter? Wow.

[dmac80]

I think with that much money sunk into MSG recently,combined with the public's lack of will to kick in more tax dollars to a sports venue (to relocate), combined with the political/geographical/financial complication of relocating, they will find a way to keep MSG where it is and somehow also renovate the train station, but I don't know if that is physically possible, lets hope so. Or, if the BE is as successful as it can be, and if the BE is able to fend off the ACC, and if the BE is able to survive the football power brokers takeover of the NCAA, then who is to say they don't just stay with MSG and go wherever MSG may go? Lot's of unresolved if's...

[pcdad]

I have read extensively on the MSG lease issue. That whole section of Manhattan by the railyards and the James A. Farley Post Office Building is under planned construction, some of which is controversial in itself (Formerly, in the not so distant past, the Jets stadium was proposed at the rail yards site.  Now other mixed uses are planned.  The politicians want to build a 21st century mass transit (rail) terminal on that site. (I do vaguely recall the old Pennsylvania Station from my boyhood train excursions to relatives in Providence). Not to recall the entire history of that decision to tear down Penn Station, (declining rail travel, demise of the rail roads), nothwithstanding the push is to provide a transit hub for the Long Island Rail Road, Amtrak, NYC subways, perhaps a bettter connection to NJ Transit. The present day, location of MSG (since 1968 or thereaobuts) is if I recall at least its third location (some no doubt recall the 8th Ave around 50th street venue). MSG can be more easily located than can a transit hub can. The rennovations included removing asbestos, replacing the seating with more wide bodied seating, additonal skyboxes, providing more spacious eating concessions. Those renevation also took space away from the venue. An event such as the American Kennel Club Dog Show decided move to the more spacious piers on the Hudson River. In my opinion, MSG will lkely lose the rights to the space, even if extensions are ultimately granted beyond the ten year lease granted. Of course funding for a new Pennsylvania Station is another matter. The clock is ticking for MSG's demise and date with the wrecking ball.

[dmac80]

I'm not sure if this was already shared here (article is from May), but I saw this on the BE forum:


Mecca may get mightier

The ACC rotates its conference tournament. When the Big East announced its breakup, the ACC put out strong feelers about bringing its tournament to the Garden, several college basketball sources said.

But the ACC initially wanted to take the Garden for a test drive, kick the tires for one year and then consider a more significant commitment. The Garden wisely wasn’t going to gamble one year on the ACC against a long-term agreement with the new Big East, which retains basketball powers Georgetown, Marquette, St. John’s and Villanova.

Reports that the Garden can get out of its deal with the Big East are somewhat misleading. Only if the new Big East loses enough key members to make the league no longer is viable can the Garden terminate the contract.

With the additions of Butler, Creighton and Xavier, the Big East should continue to produce a great basketball tournament at the Garden. We dare say the day will come when Syracuse is hardly missed. So that’s it for the ACC, right? Wrong.

Sources said an outside-the-box idea is being bandied about that is brilliant, albeit daring: If the ACC were to move back its conference tournament one week, it could come to the Garden. That notion has been discussed with some prominent ACC coaches, who were receptive.

www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/mecca_may_get_mightier_VOaGJmvdo42zMeuSlgBwnI

[wtm97]

...outside-the-box idea is being bandied about that is brilliant, albeit daring: If the ACC were to move back its conference tournament one week, it could come to the Garden. That notion has been discussed with some prominent ACC coaches, who were receptive.

Bottom Line?
Right now the ACC believes it can do whatever it wants to do, and they basically can since they have gobbled up so many fro the old Big East + Tobacco Road Traditionals.

All the more reason for the new BIG EAST to step up and play solid ball across the board especially against quality OOC and early season tournament teams.

[dmac80]

I'd think the ACC moving its tourney a week early with all the mid majors is a dumb idea. Keep it in Tobacco road country where it belongs. As we know dumb ideas are quite frequent in college sports, so I expect we'll see it sooner rather than later.

But last night Val Ackerman, Coach Cooley, and Bob Driscoll emphasized that PC and the other members of the BE must fill the garden for the tourney, and PC will be working with season ticket holders and fans throughout the season to make sure that happens.

[dex]

ACC tourney headed to Verizon Center in DC in 2016.

per goodman