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Post by pc1971 on Jul 16, 2013 13:13:37 GMT -5
Just wanted to provide another perspective on the ACC.
Yes--Duke, UNC, Syracuse , [to a lesser extent] Notre Dame,and Louisville [when they get there],are true basketball powers.No questions.
But how good [in the recent past and for the next year or two as projected] have teams like BC,VT, Wake, Clemson,GT, etc. been?Miami had an unreal year last season.But--they will be no where near as good this coming year.Remember how few fans the Hurricanes brought to MSG when in the BET?
Bottom line---they have glamour at the top of the League.At the bottom---far from it.
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Post by drairf on Jul 16, 2013 13:30:13 GMT -5
Just wanted to provide another perspective on the ACC. Yes--Duke, UNC, Syracuse , [to a lesser extent] Notre Dame,and Louisville [when they get there],are true basketball powers.No questions. But how good [in the recent past and for the next year or two as projected] have teams like BC,VT, Wake, Clemson,GT, etc. been?Miami had an unreal year last season.But--they will be no where near as good this coming year.Remember how few fans the Hurricanes brought to MSG when in the BET? Bottom line---they have glamour at the top of the League.At the bottom---far from it. Regarding MSG, part of it is about success but the other part, that will not change to a large degree, is the size of the fanbases. The teams in the new BE can never match the massive numbers of fans (both alumns and locals)that schools like Syracuse, L'Ville, UNC, Duke, ND and even Pitt have. Just based on size of the school alone. Not to mention the national profiles and brand names of these schools. Probably only G'Town comes close from the new BE. Creighton, from what I hear, also has a great local following (but not the national brand name of the top ACC schools).
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Post by pc1971 on Jul 16, 2013 14:32:42 GMT -5
Good points DRAIF.
These football schools tend to have much larger student populations and alumni bases than these "small" BE schools.
The BE will be very dependent upon "subway alums" who love the David v. Goliath aspect of things---so long as the BE schools win some good games.The great start to recruiting is indeed encouraging.
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Post by tonton on Jul 16, 2013 15:16:26 GMT -5
Does the MSG care about anything beyond selling out? Why would they care about fanbase size or enthusiasm? Or how much scalpers get or how full restaurants are? Once the tickets are gone, what more can they ask?
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Post by dex on Jul 16, 2013 15:28:19 GMT -5
good point tonton...even if our partner FOX has to buy a bunch
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Post by pc1971 on Jul 16, 2013 15:46:46 GMT -5
The tickets will be sold.
With 10 schools,ignoring any "local NYC sales," Fox Sales,Sponsors, etc,each school ,on average, only has to sell 2,000 tix.Not a big problem methinks.
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Post by pcdad on Jul 16, 2013 15:52:10 GMT -5
PC1971,
You've been to more Providence games than I have at the Big East Tournament. Has there ever been more than 2000 Friars fans at one of these events? Maybe as the Friars are generally playing in the earlier games they do not seem well attended to me when I have been present. Those games may be sold out for all I know, but there are not 2000 Friar fans in the seats at MSG. I am usually high in my perch above so have a good view of those wearing Black.
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Post by pc1971 on Jul 16, 2013 16:23:15 GMT -5
Good question pcdad.There are not that many there for the early games.They have been there in those infrequent past times when the Friars have won a game or two and progressed.
However, my understanding is that whatever tix they have had to sell they have sold.Since they have to be bought as a complete set---the fact that attendance for the early games--pretty much whoever is playing--is not always stellar as far as derrieres in the seats---the place is sold out.
I do not believe the BET in NYC will be anything but a sellout from the persepective of tickets sold.
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Post by dex on Jul 16, 2013 16:35:06 GMT -5
But MSG needs to sell booze, soda, dogs and popcorn so let's get those fanny's in the seats.
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Post by drairf on Jul 16, 2013 19:45:35 GMT -5
Does the MSG care about anything beyond selling out? Why would they care about fanbase size or enthusiasm? Or how much scalpers get or how full restaurants are? Once the tickets are gone, what more can they ask? Good question. First thing is selling MSG out for the entire tournament. Can that be done without UConn, Syracuse, etc? I hope it can. You are right in that MSG shouldn't care about how much the 2nd market tickets get jacked up on StubHub from corporate demand (which could fall off without the brand names). As long as the entire tournament sells out at face value, that should keep MSG happy in that way. Then, as Dex mentioned, people have to actually show up and match the past sales of beer and food at MSG. If all tickets are sold, and beers are consumed, the only thing I can think of them possibly caring about is whether or not they are hosting the premier conference tournament. I'm not sure if this matters to them or not, but just a thought. Would they prefer to be hosting a final between Duke and L'Ville on ESPN on Saturday night? Does this matter to the MSG brand?
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Post by thewalk on Jul 17, 2013 7:17:18 GMT -5
The question remains about the MSG "benchmarks"....have they changed from prior years?....are they easily attainable with only 10 schools?...
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Post by wtm97 on Jul 17, 2013 7:58:40 GMT -5
Bottom line as always will be $$$ and MSG/Barclay business decisions will be based on that going forward. Yes, the ‘new’ Big East schools did buy the name and want to desperately cling to and build on that heritage with MSG as a center-point to do so as they rebuild as an urban-centered purely hoops conference.
To keep that going as an ‘exclusive’ will take hard work, savvy marketing and a perception of value. No small task and Val Ackerman hopefully already knows the har$h reality of this ‘winner-takes-all’ playing field.
How this will all play out remains to be seen – nobody really knows. We Friars want it to work and succeed because; well it HAS to - as that is our ONLY option being such a small player. And, thank God, we are most fortunate to have a ballsy coach in Cooley who is a visionary and repeatedly does and says the right things while working tirelessly to build and secure that future.
Personally, I see it working out somehow. It will not be a walk in the park though…
My understanding is that right now, the ACC post-season conference basketball in North Carolina for the next two years as they are committed to holding its tourney in Greensboro through 2015. On the football side, they just signed a 6-year deal to play in the football “Pinstripe Bowl” in Yankee Stadium.
All the talk about the realignment in college sports has centered on football and positioning of conferences for automatic bids to the big bucks BSC. Certainly, the ACC scramble been in large part driven by that need – not sure about the rest of you here but with one or two exceptions, when I think of college football, the ACC has hardly ever come to my mind – I am talking like, ‘forever’…
That is all part of what makes the ACC’s future as a set conference potentially subject to changes itself. It could happen…
But even with that, the ACC, even wit it’s own ‘weak sisters’ definitely does have the benefit of an incredible hoops legacy and line up of nationally successful teams going forward.
Overstated is what we all know. The best we and the other ‘catholics’ or whatever you choose to call the new Big East can do is one thing – WIN.
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Post by pcdad on Jul 17, 2013 9:36:54 GMT -5
Watching the All-Star game on Fox last night...did anyone notice that during a commercial promoting the launching of Fox sports network, a montage of sporting events flashing by as quickly as they appeared, that John Thompson III appears momentarily, presumably part of Fox promoting its new sports network and including the new Big East, with perhaps the most "National" basketball program in the league?
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Post by drairf on Jul 17, 2013 10:37:00 GMT -5
Yes, John Tompson III and Lavin both appeared in the Fox Sports 1 commercial. They probably had to edit Brad Stevens out last week.
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Post by dex on Jul 21, 2013 10:28:08 GMT -5
PC71 wrote: "My bigger concern, how ever, is if the power 64 football schools a ll leave the NCAA and form their own conglomerate and own March Madness. That would be a disaster for all the other schools from a hoops standpoint.Hopefully, that will not happen.But, it could." Similar to '71 I have indicated this split in the past at FTH, the concept is perhaps not so far-fetched as once thought. digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODE/ProJo/excerpts COLLEGE FOOTBALL SEC erases all doubt it sets the standard By MIKE BIANCHI ORLANDO SENTINEL If there were ever a question as to which entity reigns over college football — on and off the field — it was pretty much settled last week at SEC Media Days in Hoover, Ala. That’s where Southeastern Conference commissioner Mike Slive stood up at his state-of-the-league address and openly challenged the NCAA’s role in today’s college football world. Slive compared the archaic, plodding NCAA to “Gutenberg’s printing press” in today’s instantaneous Internet world of tweeting and texting. He then said the NCAA needed innovative outside-the-box leadership to “slash through our Gordian knot” of antiquated thinking. A short time later, Steve Spurrier — the dean of conference coaches — took the podium and said that the 14 league football coaches unanimously agree that it’s time for the SEC to start paying football and basketball players, giving them a little extra spending cash to enhance their college experience. And not only that, Spurrier said, but SEC coaches also voted, 14-0, that if Notre Dame wants to be part of the new playoff system, then let the Fighting Irish join a conference like everybody else. “Notre Dame should join the ACC and play football like all the rest of us,” Spurrier said. “It’s sort of hard to figure out why they have their own conference.” “The SEC has raised the bar to such a point where other conferences are trying to figure out how they can catch up,” says former Colorado, Washington and UCLA coach Rick Neuheisel, now a commentator for Sirius XM Radio. “The SEC leadership has been brilliant. The leaders of this conference have had the ability to look into the future and see where college football should go. The numbers don’t lie.” The league won an unprecedented seventh straight national championship last year and finished the regular season with six teams ranked in the top 10 — a feat never before accomplished. The league set a record with 63 NFL draft picks — more than double the number from any other conference. The SEC has finished No. 1 in the nation in total attendance for 14 straight years. Of the top 10 programs that draw the most fans, half are from the SEC. In the Forbes magazine list of the “most valuable” college football programs, six of the top 10 are from the SEC. Translation: the SEC has the most money, the most fans, the most talented players and the most passion And so the rest of college football continues to plod and plug along using its Gutenberg printing press. Meanwhile, in a galaxy light years ahead, the SEC just Instagrammed a photograph of yet another national championship trophy with the accompanying tweet: “Catch us if you can.” SEC commissioner Mike Slive challenged the NCAA’s role in college football, saying it needed better leadership.
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