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Post by thumper on Aug 16, 2024 16:33:26 GMT -5
For the record, I think we are going to be good. Middle of the big East and making the ncaa tournament. But we can’t ignore the potential offensive issues and the fact that Bensley/JAR were role players at their previous stops. As for the Christ/Oduro comparison, if Christ were still at Saint Joes, people would probably expect him to put up Oduro type numbers. So the question is what is the A10-Big East conversion? I think he probably puts up similar numbers this year to what he did at Joes last year. Bensley and JAR started most games and averaged 31 and 27 minutes respectively. PIZZA,SODA,GRINDERS!!! |
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Post by bradcav on Aug 16, 2024 21:40:23 GMT -5
For the record, I think we are going to be good. Middle of the big East and making the ncaa tournament. But we can’t ignore the potential offensive issues and the fact that Bensley/JAR were role players at their previous stops. As for the Christ/Oduro comparison, if Christ were still at Saint Joes, people would probably expect him to put up Oduro type numbers. So the question is what is the A10-Big East conversion? I think he probably puts up similar numbers this year to what he did at Joes last year. FWIW, Bensley and JAR started most of their team's games, averaging 31 and 27 minutes respectively. PIZZA,SODA,GRINDERS!!! Ticket Gaines started every game and averaged 35 minutes per game in Big East play and was still definitely a role player |
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Post by hectorallen on Aug 17, 2024 7:34:36 GMT -5
For the record, I think we are going to be good. Middle of the big East and making the ncaa tournament. But we can’t ignore the potential offensive issues and the fact that Bensley/JAR were role players at their previous stops. As for the Christ/Oduro comparison, if Christ were still at Saint Joes, people would probably expect him to put up Oduro type numbers. So the question is what is the A10-Big East conversion? I think he probably puts up similar numbers this year to what he did at Joes last year. Role players? By that if you mean that last season Bensley was the point guard and led the team in minutes played and assists and JAR was the second leading scorer while shooting .887 on free throws, yeah, they were role players. |
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Post by dex on Aug 17, 2024 9:26:57 GMT -5
For the record, I think we are going to be good. Middle of the big East and making the ncaa tournament. But we can’t ignore the potential offensive issues and the fact that Bensley/JAR were role players at their previous stops. As for the Christ/Oduro comparison, if Christ were still at Saint Joes, people would probably expect him to put up Oduro type numbers. So the question is what is the A10-Big East conversion? I think he probably puts up similar numbers this year to what he did at Joes last year. Role players? By that if you mean that last season Bensley was the point guard and led the team in minutes played and assists and JAR was the second leading scorer while shooting .887 on free throws, yeah, they were role players. Hector's got the goods here with Bensley. I like the acquisition a lot...he has played against top teams for years and that's a good thing for us. He won't shrink when the lights go on. ps and I hope he gets fouled a lot |
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Post by bradcav on Aug 17, 2024 10:23:58 GMT -5
For the record, I think we are going to be good. Middle of the big East and making the ncaa tournament. But we can’t ignore the potential offensive issues and the fact that Bensley/JAR were role players at their previous stops. As for the Christ/Oduro comparison, if Christ were still at Saint Joes, people would probably expect him to put up Oduro type numbers. So the question is what is the A10-Big East conversion? I think he probably puts up similar numbers this year to what he did at Joes last year. Role players? By that if you mean that last season Bensley was the point guard and led the team in minutes played and assists and JAR was the second leading scorer while shooting .887 on free throws, yeah, they were role players. Bensley was not first in minutes per game or assists. He was the 5th leading scorer on a team that went 6-14 in the ACC Jabri was a spot up shooter for a 6-12 SEC team. What does free throw percentage have to do with being a role player? Wouldn’t we all consider Alyn Breed a role player? If you would consider Ticket Gaines a role player for us last year, then both Bensley and JAR were role players last year for their teams |
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Post by hectorallen on Aug 18, 2024 11:28:35 GMT -5
Role players? By that if you mean that last season Bensley was the point guard and led the team in minutes played and assists and JAR was the second leading scorer while shooting .887 on free throws, yeah, they were role players. Bensley was not first in minutes per game or assists. He was the 5th leading scorer on a team that went 6-14 in the ACC Jabri was a spot up shooter for a 6-12 SEC team. What does free throw percentage have to do with being a role player? Wouldn’t we all consider Alyn Breed a role player? If you would consider Ticket Gaines a role player for us last year, then both Bensley and JAR were role players last year for their teams Just to be clear, Bensley did lead the team in minutes and assists last season. Either you read my comment incorrectly, or you read the season stats somewhere that were incorrect. No one stated he was first in minutes and assists per game. And I don't think most people wouldn't catorigize the second leading scorer on a team who also shoots .887 from the line a role player. But people can have different opinions. Season Totals Name MIN ASSTNorchad Omier F 948 38Matthew Cleveland G 962 48Nijel Pack G 814 89Wooga Poplar G 905 61 Bensley Joseph G 1006 110Kyshawn George F 713 67Christian Watson G 303 18Michael Nwoko C 256 3Paul Djobet G 162 7AJ Casey F 226 8Jakai Robinson G 123 5Carson Mastin G 4 0Nick Cassano F 3 0 |
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Post by bradcav on Aug 18, 2024 18:40:22 GMT -5
There’s a reason people usually use the per game stats, unless you are also claiming Pierre and Ticket are better scorers than Hop
Maybe Bensley/JAR will be more than role players for us, Al Durham did things for us that he never did in 4 years at Indiana, but both have definitely been role players so far
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Post by friar71 on Aug 18, 2024 20:12:02 GMT -5
Hopefully this helps. According to the Sports Lingo Website
"A role player in basketball is a player on the team who plays a supporting role on the roster. This player usually comes off the bench, and has a specific set of skills that the team requires from them. For example, a role player may be a valuable three-point shooter or a defensive specialist.
Role players can sometimes be starters on the team, but they are mainly bench players who still contribute valuable minutes."
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Post by pc1971 on Aug 19, 2024 8:51:13 GMT -5
Whatever terminology one wishes to use,I believe that Joseph and JAR are proven D-1 Hoopsters who have played in the Big Leagues of college hoops.
Barring injury---they will be rotation players contributing to the Friars success this season.
And-- they are "old."That is a good thing.
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Post by dex on Aug 19, 2024 12:02:11 GMT -5
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Post by hectorallen on Aug 19, 2024 13:12:02 GMT -5
There’s a reason people usually use the per game stats, unless you are also claiming Pierre and Ticket are better scorers than Hop Maybe Bensley/JAR will be more than role players for us, Al Durham did things for us that he never did in 4 years at Indiana, but both have definitely been role players so far Yes, I understand why people would use per game stats. But I didn't. And then you attempted to correct my point by refering to per game stats that I didn't use. I used season stats because as a famous coach says, one of the most important abilities is availability. Hence, leading a team in minutes played over the course of a season is both relevant and important. But there's no need to defend your opinion by twisting other people's words. One thing I think we can all agree on is you think Bentley and JAR have been role players. |
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Post by pcbbfan on Aug 19, 2024 13:36:28 GMT -5
I’ve always had a pet peeve with how the NBA and their fans analyze stats. In baseball, is the home run leader the person that hit the most home runs or the most home runs per games played?
This is why I view Tatum as the leading scorer in 2022-23. Most people probably view Embiid as the leading scorer that year.
Tatum 2225 points
Tatum 30.1 PPG
Embiid 2183 points
Embiid 33.1 PPG
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Post by bradcav on Aug 19, 2024 13:50:58 GMT -5
There’s a reason people usually use the per game stats, unless you are also claiming Pierre and Ticket are better scorers than Hop Maybe Bensley/JAR will be more than role players for us, Al Durham did things for us that he never did in 4 years at Indiana, but both have definitely been role players so far Yes, I understand why people would use per game stats. But I didn't. And then you attempted to correct my point by refering to per game stats that I didn't use. I used season stats because as a famous coach says, one of the most important abilities is availability. Hence, leading a team in minutes played over the course of a season is both relevant and important. But there's no need to defend your opinion by twisting other people's words. One thing I think we can all agree on is you think Bentley and JAR have been role players. Would you say Ticket Gaines was a role player on the 23-24 Providence team? |
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Post by friar71 on Aug 19, 2024 14:27:23 GMT -5
No, Gaines was a starter and played 30+ minutes. Pierre was also not a role player. But, I would say Floyd and Barron were role players.
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Post by thumper on Aug 19, 2024 16:26:44 GMT -5
No, Gaines was a starter and played 30+ minutes. Pierre was also not a role player. But, I would say Floyd and Barron were role players. Good response friar71. I admire your patience. Many of us were trying to put this to bed. Hopefully the point is made. PIZZA,SODA,GRINDERS!!! |
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