mikemc
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Post by mikemc on May 24, 2019 7:50:38 GMT -5
Money meaningless to Mich with b10 TV deal. Agree. But the writer said UM had no leverage w Howard once Cooley declined. They got Howard pretty cheap at $2 Mil since Belein was making 3.8. I think Howard really wanted this job and could care less what they payed him. As I said, $2 Mil is lunch money for him. Was Cooley even offered anything for him to decline? Or did PC up the ante for Cooley and Cooley told Mich no thanks not interested in any potential offer? ....gotta love friartown...
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Post by friar71 on May 24, 2019 16:03:16 GMT -5
Agree. But the writer said UM had no leverage w Howard once Cooley declined. They got Howard pretty cheap at $2 Mil since Belein was making 3.8. I think Howard really wanted this job and could care less what they payed him. As I said, $2 Mil is lunch money for him. Was Cooley even offered anything for him to decline? Or did PC up the ante for Cooley and Cooley told Mich no thanks not interested in any potential offer? ....gotta love friartown... Mike: My take. I doubt Cooley was offered. There was a good bit of publicity about Howard from the media as well as the Fab Four and he was scheduled to be interviewed in Miami on Tuesday. I would guess Ed was not offered on Monday since the Howard interview was the next day. By the time that happened Ed had withdrawn.
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Post by dex on May 24, 2019 21:21:46 GMT -5
My take is that it is documented in other articles written by humans that he was NOT offered.
My opinion is that he was never ever going to be offered the job. Mamuel was not going to buck every Wolverine in the world and risk his arse even though it could have been well justified I suppose.
I hear. That Flipper and Manuel go way back including assisting in getting him the Wolverine job. A tangled web, eh? What a parley
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Post by dex on May 26, 2019 8:21:22 GMT -5
COMMENTARY
This was a price tag worth paying
BILL REYNOLDS
PROVIDENCE — The first time I met Ed Cooley, then a senior at Central High School and one of the top schoolboy basketball players in the state, was in the sports department of the Providence Journal. It was somewhere in the 1980s, and he said he had come down to help Paul Kenyon, then the Journal’s schoolboy sports writer, to pick the All-State team. Say what? No matter that no one had ever done that before. No matter that no one has done that since. That was vintage Cooley, even if no one knew that then. What’s the old expression, they didn’t make two of him? Cooley, the Providence College basketball coach, is the living example of that expression. On the most obvious level Cooley is the very embodiment of the American Dream, the African-American kid who grew up in the part of Providence that never makes the travel brochures. The kid from the inner city who grew up to become the first black head coach of the Friars. That’s the overview of his back story, anyway, and in all the important ways it’s a very moving story. For Cooley has said he grew up with “bummy clothes,” grew up in the kind of unrelenting poverty that can deaden dreams, narrow the world’s possibilities.
The point is Cooley came of age with a couple of strikes already against him.
The larger point is Cooley already has had a remarkable journey, one that’s overcome a lot of odds.
But everything comes with a price tag, even dream jobs, and there’s little question that pressure always is in Cooley’s pocket. This recruit. That recruit. And that’s in the offseason. That’s even before the games start. Then there’s the pressure of living in the same place you grew up. Or how many people are you supposed to help out because you made it, and they didn’t? What’s the unofficial rule on that?
The point is it’s complicated.
So the Michigan job had to get his attention when the word started to spread early last week that Cooley was high up on the Wolverines wish list. The Michigan job is one of the big-time college basketball jobs in the country. You’ve got to listen, right. You’ve got to be flattered, right? Hey, it’s Michigan, right?
So that’s where we were last Monday, Cooley’s fate as up in the air as a deep 3-pointer.
Ultimately, Cooley sat down with PC athletic director Bob Driscoll for an all-night discussion about the state of the Friars. The result? A decision was reached in the wee hours of the morning.
By mid-day on Tuesday, the college announced that Cooley would receive a multi-year contract extension said to be in the 10-year range with an eventual raise to about $3 million annually. They also agreed on a number of improvements to the program itself — staffing, travel, etc. — the lifeblood of a successful team.
The crisis had been averted.
Ed Cooley is not going to Michigan.
Sometimes you win your biggest games in the offseason
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 8:35:20 GMT -5
As usual, Reynolds’ article literally said nothing lol.
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Post by drairf on May 27, 2019 0:34:17 GMT -5
As usual, Reynolds’ article literally said nothing lol. He informed us that Cooley and Driscoll sat down and talked from dusk until dawn.
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Post by whitefriar on May 27, 2019 4:56:28 GMT -5
I agree, Mr. Dex. Don't think it helps his cache (sorry 82). Let me say I have no issue with him interviewing but it will be used against him on the recruiting trail by other schools. Recruits will (and should) ask about it as well. If you don't get other offers from schools while you are coaching at "A", then you have no cache and are losing more than you win! PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! Jay Wright has interviewed where? Winning on the big stage gets you cache.
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Post by thumper on May 27, 2019 5:49:29 GMT -5
If you don't get other offers from schools while you are coaching at "A", then you have no cache and are losing more than you win! PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! Jay Wright has interviewed where? Winning on the big stage gets you cache. Coaches who have moved AFTER winning the National Championship(s) ... Williams, Pitino, Olson, Calipari, Howland, Sutton, Richardson, Barlow, Hensen, Huggins, Steven's, Carlisimo among others. If you think most coaches don't entertain offers, you are very naive. We don't know if Wright has gotten calls or had secret talks, do we? Wouldn't be surprised if he had. Congrats on the baby. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by mikemc on May 27, 2019 9:27:02 GMT -5
Jay Wright has interviewed where? Winning on the big stage gets you cache. Coaches who have moved AFTER winning the National Championship(s) ... Willians, Pitino, Olson, Calipari, Howland, Sutton, Richardson, Barlow, Hensen, Huggins, Steven's, Carlisimo among others. If you think most coaches don't entertain offers, you are very naive. We don't know if Wright has gotten calls or had secret talks, do we? Wouldn't be surprised if he had. Congrats on the baby. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! I get that coaches entertain other offers, but don't come out and say this is your dream job when the dream job is the biggest paycheck that comes calling. ....gotta love friartown...
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Post by thumper on May 27, 2019 14:19:14 GMT -5
Coaches who have moved AFTER winning the National Championship(s) ... Willians, Pitino, Olson, Calipari, Howland, Sutton, Richardson, Barlow, Hensen, Huggins, Steven's, Carlisimo among others. If you think most coaches don't entertain offers, you are very naive. We don't know if Wright has gotten calls or had secret talks, do we? Wouldn't be surprised if he had. Congrats on the baby. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! I get that coaches entertain other offers, but don't come out and say this is your dream job when the dream job is the biggest paycheck that comes calling. ....gotta love friartown... mikey, You obviously failed coach-speak while matriculating. Leverage, kind sir, to get a another raise. Any employee who says he or she doesn't use that is lying. And it worked for Ed. I wouldn't be surprised if some prosperous alum were on the phone to Driscoll that night which is absolutely legal if the right channels are used. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by suspended poster on May 27, 2019 15:00:41 GMT -5
Jay Wright has interviewed where? Winning on the big stage gets you cache. Coaches who have moved AFTER winning the National Championship(s) ... Willians, Pitino, Olson, Calipari, Howland, Sutton, Richardson, Barlow, Hensen, Huggins, Steven's, Carlisimo among others. If you think most coaches don't entertain offers, you are very naive.We don't know if Wright has gotten calls or had secret talks, do we? Wouldn't be surprised if he had. Congrats on the baby. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! When did Eddie Sutton, Brad Stevens, Henson, PJ, Huggy, and Barlow win National titles? Cal didn’t win a title until he became HC of UK. What job did he leave UK for? Pitino didn’t leave Ville voluntary. Lute Olson left Zona after he won in 97? Nolan Richardson? I don’t remember him bolting after he won. Didn’t Arkansas fire him? Howland was also fired. And he also has never won a National Title. Every coach you referenced did not leave their school after they won a National Championship. Most of the coaches never even won a title.
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Post by Cteve on May 27, 2019 15:41:52 GMT -5
The were all semi's or finalists which I think was his tacit point. Richardson liked the Fed' hill clam chowder so much he talked about flying some down to Ark. ------------ So what would I have done if I was Driscoll? Told Ed his rep' is such that a mega-school was interested in using his name in the interview process. And had politics been different he may have been a serious candidate. But life if unfair --as it was for the health of his team-- and 19-'20 should be much more satisfying hopefully. And after a good year Ed can have the particulars of his deal revisited if fending off some of the Power5 looks necessary. 'But as of now I'm disappointed you were denied something but pleased for myself as AD as I know you are a well-paid CEO of our program and have it pretty good here, no question.'
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Post by thumper on May 27, 2019 16:24:44 GMT -5
Did mean to say Final Four appearances. Thanks Cteve. Sorry for making you rush to your Encyclopedia Britannica.
The point is never say never about offers, whether made public or that quiet phone call.
BTW, coaches who did leave a school having won a NC include Pitino, Steve Fisher, Tubby Smith, Kelvin Sampson, Rollie Massimino, Jim Harrick, Larry Brown. Disclaimer ... I think those names are right but I'm getting older each day and could be wrong ... again. Some not right away but whitefriar never stipulated that.
Happy Memorial Day. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by suspended poster on May 27, 2019 17:27:27 GMT -5
Did mean to say Final Four appearances. Thanks Cteve. Sorry for making you rush to your Encyclopedia Britannica. The point is never say never about offers, whether made public or that quiet phone call. BTW, coaches who did leave a school having won a NC include Pitino, Steve Fisher, Tubby Smith, Kelvin Sampson, Rollie Massimino, Jim Harrick, Larry Brown. Disclaimer ... I think those names are right but I'm getting older each day and could be wrong ... again. Some not right away but whitefriar never stipulated that. Happy Memorial Day. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! Not to nitpick...but you may want to recheck that list.
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Post by mikemc on May 27, 2019 18:27:53 GMT -5
I get that coaches entertain other offers, but don't come out and say this is your dream job when the dream job is the biggest paycheck that comes calling. ....gotta love friartown... mikey, You obviously failed coach-speak while matriculating. Leverage, kind sir, to get a another raise. Any employee who says he or she doesn't use that is lying. And it worked for Ed. I wouldn't be surprised if some prosperous alum were on the phone to Driscoll that night which is absolutely legal if the right channels are used. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! Do you think Cooley deserved a raise when he wasn’t even offered the Mich gig and the coaching job he did last year??
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