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Post by oaklawnbob on May 27, 2014 13:08:10 GMT -5
A - i am completely guessing but could see a scenario where he has no problem sharing time with a frosh vs a 5th year guy who's more likely coming for major minutes... Oaklawn - if all those guys were eligible and played, i would have expected a fortune transfer last year....
Has he been given the release? I don't agree with you. The kid would get a few minutes in a game at most. He accepted his role to my knowledge.
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Post by friarbrown on May 27, 2014 14:55:53 GMT -5
Cteve, good points I also didn't care much for how his mother came across in that article as well. I understand she is going to support her son but at the same time there is a way to handle things especially when you are a person in a semi- public forum. I still feel that there is a lot more to this. In my view there was nothing wrong with Cooley looking for more depth and saying after the Big East Championship that Fortune was probably going to be the 9th guy off the bench. Fortune knew that when they were practicing. Should we expect Tyler Harris to get mad and leave because Cooley said that he would have been the 6th man. He also shouldn't have been upset about them looking for more guards.It's not like we were seriously recruiting a bunch of 2 guards. Fortune was still going to get his run. How his mother came across in her one sentence quote? She said her son doesn't want to make any comments until he gets his release and can talk to schools. Maybe you read it differently than I did but to me it seems reasonable that a player would want to hold off comment until being released. That actually happens frequently if you follow transfers in college basketball. News breaks of the release and then you don't hear anything from the player until the release happens and then you get the "I want to thank Coach for the opportunity" type stuff. Criticizing the mom is off base here, IMO. Edit: here is the quote “Josh doesn’t want to talk until he is allowed to talk to other schools,” Angela Fortune said. I wasn't the only one that saw that strange. Maybe I'm looking at it differently but I also grew up in a military family and I was always taught to handle my business right away no matter if I wanted to or not. What's the point of thanking someone for an opportunity a few weeks after the fact. Its like quiting a job without a 2 weeks notice and then calling your boss to thank them for hiring you after you left. I believe overall he is probably a good kid. For the record I follow college basketball very closely. I played for a small d2 school and had some interest from a couple of low major d1 programs. College basketball is a passion for me.
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Post by friarj on May 27, 2014 15:23:17 GMT -5
If he just wants to go home and misses his Mom then God bless him and thank you for the two years. Now if another coach; say one at VT called him and said hey,come to a better conference, then I would have a real problem.
This is a painful loss because of the timing and how much he could have improved this year. I hope that it's not painful because of APR, we skating thin as it is.
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Post by flyerlax06 on May 27, 2014 15:39:25 GMT -5
If he just wants to go home and misses his Mom then God bless him and thank you for the two years. Now if another coach; say one at VT called him and said hey,come to a better conference, then I would have a real problem. This is a painful loss because of the timing and how much he could have improved this year. I hope that it's not painful because of APR, we skating thin as it is. As long as his GPA is 2.6 or higher we won't take an APR hit.
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Post by friarbrown on May 27, 2014 15:46:55 GMT -5
I thought I read somewhere too that Va tech seemed to be very much in the mix. If I'm not mistaken Buzz signed 3 guys this year. So he might play less there if he decides to sign there.
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Post by friarj on May 27, 2014 15:58:14 GMT -5
If he just wants to go home and misses his Mom then God bless him and thank you for the two years. Now if another coach; say one at VT called him and said hey,come to a better conference, then I would have a real problem. This is a painful loss because of the timing and how much he could have improved this year. I hope that it's not painful because of APR, we skating thin as it is. As long as his GPA is 2.6 or higher we won't take an APR hit. Is it?
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Post by flyerlax06 on May 27, 2014 17:29:51 GMT -5
As long as his GPA is 2.6 or higher we won't take an APR hit. Is it? I'm not privy to a student's CyberFriar account but I've always heard that Josh is a good student.
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Post by pcdad on May 28, 2014 10:04:47 GMT -5
I do not live in thumper's view of the PC "either/ or" world. Bless those who navigate through life with such convictions. I admire his stance as he is a passionate fan but cannot support it.
Josh Fortune wants to leave. A $200K plus education does not make him an indentured servant. Is he making a mistake? More than likely he is. Does his transfer adversely affect the PC basketball team's offensive scoring ability? -Yes. Would I prefer he remain in the program for his final two years -Yes? It is his life, his decision. The consequences for him are unknown as they are for the PC basketball program. His leaving will open up a slot for another chosen by the coaching staff.
There is always another player to fill a role. I want to believe that the player who will take his place will be an improvement over Josh Fortune.
I cannot support the attitude of any fan who so vociferously tells a 20 year old to "Screw". A college player owes ME nothing. Any one who believes that a player owes us anything needs to reconsider the contract that a student who plays in a Division I basketball program has made with the college. If someone wants "out" that is between him and the coaches and the college. When the college wants to terminate the relationship through suspension, expulsion with or without cause we as fans have no say either. Would the college rescinding a scholarship offer warrant our response of "Screw"? Providence College administration has yielded a most heavy hand to its basketball players through suspension and expulsion as it deems fit. Thankfully, those decisions are carefully considered and are not capriciously meted out. Criminal behavaior has not been tolerated. Less than model behavior has been met accordingly whether with expulsion, suspension, or retention.
IF any player's reason for leaving PC basketball is related to the message sent by the coaching staff, then the staff is responsible for that player's defection. A player who leaves because of the staff's clear message to him makes a most prudent choice. If any player decides to leave the PC program for personal reasons then I must accept his decision. I have no control over those decisions, and while it is disappointing to see him leave the team (in this instance Josh Fortune, the next time another player) I can only will wish him well as I am I sure his decision was carefully considered and is best for him, and if you really think about it, best for the PC basketball team as he no longer wishes to be part of it. Better that he leave now and create an opening for another recruit.
Thank you for your time here and the excitement you gave me during this past season with your accurate three point shooting prowess. Best wishes and success in life long after your playing days are over.
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Post by Rock on May 28, 2014 12:30:09 GMT -5
>>I cannot support the attitude of any fan who so vociferously tells a 20 year old to "Screw"<<
Although that language is harsh and personally over the top I think most (if not all) that say such a thing mean it differently that it sounds. It's a verbal tick to express dissatisfaction with the decision. I know of no one who would wish truly bad tidings to Josh or any other kid in a similar situation. And even if the extent of the word "screw" was meant to express pleasure in seeing the kid end up on the bench at his next school (see: Coleman, Gerard) I really think, in the big scope of things, it's a pretty benign attack.
We're only talking about a sport here, a game, in effect. No one wishes Josh bad grades, failing health or anything of real substance. He's going from one free college education to another free college education. He is miles and miles and miles ahead of 99% of the rest of the kids his age so if someone expresses frustration saying "screw him" I think it's largely a rhetorical remark, much like a boo.
In full disclosure, I said I will "shed no tears" if he ended up in a lesser basketball situation that he had here. That's a long way from "screw him" but to some I suppose they are similar sentiments so I felt the need to reply.
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Post by pembroke04 on May 28, 2014 12:55:45 GMT -5
I do not live in thumper's view of the PC "either/ or" world. Bless those who navigate through life with such convictions. I admire his stance as he is a passionate fan but cannot support it. Josh Fortune wants to leave. A $200K plus education does not make him an indentured servant. Is he making a mistake? More than likely he is. Does his transfer adversely affect the PC basketball team's offensive scoring ability? -Yes. Would I prefer he remain in the program for his final two years -Yes? It is his life, his decision. The consequences for him are unknown as they are for the PC basketball program. His leaving will open up a slot for another chosen by the coaching staff. There is always another player to fill a role. I want to believe that the player who will take his place will be an improvement over Josh Fortune. I cannot support the attitude of any fan who so vociferously tells a 20 year old to "Screw". A college player owes ME nothing. Any one who believes that a player owes us anything needs to reconsider the contract that a student who plays in a Division I basketball program has made with the college. If someone wants "out" that is between him and the coaches and the college. When the college wants to terminate the relationship through suspension, expulsion with or without cause we as fans have no say either. Would the college rescinding a scholarship offer warrant our response of "Screw"? Providence College administration has yielded a most heavy hand to its basketball players through suspension and expulsion as it deems fit. Thankfully, those decisions are carefully considered and are not capriciously meted out. Criminal behavaior has not been tolerated. Less than model behavior has been met accordingly whether with expulsion, suspension, or retention. IF any player's reason for leaving PC basketball is related to the message sent by the coaching staff, then the staff is responsible for that player's defection. A player who leaves because of the staff's clear message to him makes a most prudent choice. If any player decides to leave the PC program for personal reasons then I must accept his decision. I have no control over those decisions, and while it is disappointing to see him leave the team (in this instance Josh Fortune, the next time another player) I can only will wish him well as I am I sure his decision was carefully considered and is best for him, and if you really think about it, best for the PC basketball team as he no longer wishes to be part of it. Better that he leave now and create an opening for another recruit. Thank you for your time here and the excitement you gave me during this past season with your accurate three point shooting prowess. Best wishes and success in life long after your playing days are over. Great post. Between work and my golf game, I haven't had a whole lot of time to sit down and translate my thoughts on some of the off-season topics that have been discussed, but I think pcdad is spot on here.
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Post by Cteve on May 28, 2014 14:00:56 GMT -5
his decision was carefully considered and is best for him,
I wouldn't go that far. It could just as easily be ill-considered and a poor choice. As was said before if he doesn't impress his new coach immediately during his reshirt year they may recruit over him and he's a bench player his two years of elig.
Which is why what Boston said was disappointing about him looking for a top-20 program. If anything he should minimizing the risk of this move and be trading down, not up.
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Post by Free Weyinmi on May 28, 2014 14:12:55 GMT -5
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Post by pcdad on May 28, 2014 17:23:58 GMT -5
csteve, I think your point is correct that potentialy and probably his decision to transfer to another program will prove adverse.
In parsing my statement I am suggesting that he carefully considered what is best for him and that he has chosen to leave.
It remains to be seen whether it is the better choice. We have NO knowledge why he would leave. He must believe that tranferring is his best option. Perhaps he just wants to be nearer to home.
Providence is indeed an alien world to some. Despite the migration of Northerners to the South to retire, myself as an aging adult feel out of my element when in the South. I am an alien. Despite the time I have spent in New England, I am not completely comfortable when there. I felt alien when in Texas. Chicago does not feel alien to me. To each his own. Perhaps he just wants to go back to more comfortable surroundings.
Basketball may be a secondary plan to complete his education and he may manage to obtain a master's degree in the next three years while under scholarship. A large ACC school clearly offers more diversity, a much larger student base, and probably more choices for his major, his concentration and beyond.
He may want to get away from the restraints of living under the scrutiny as a starting player for a Big East team in a small environment. Is being here too lonely or claustrophobic for him? Or is his decison to transfer something else entirely? In the meantime he is transferring elsewhere.
In time his reasons for transferring will be become known or at least made more clear... farewell and thank you.
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Post by friarj on May 28, 2014 17:27:53 GMT -5
A few tweets leaking out of PC. Napoli tweets that it's tough seeing kids make terrible life decisions and Mike Jackson tweets "those who stay will be champions!" Beginning to think his reason for leaving has folks upset. They still have the seniors on the roster but pulled Fortune's name off the 13/14 roster immediately.
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Post by pcdad on May 28, 2014 17:38:46 GMT -5
Rock, understandable. Perhaps I shouldn't be parsing one's diction. thump is a passionate fan and leaves no doubt about what he feels. In anger and emotion one sometimes replies with vitriol. Bless his clarity.
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