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Post by oaklawnbob on Jan 14, 2014 5:10:06 GMT -5
VCU does not fit the current profile of the conference nor does Wichita. I doubt the presidents of the schools would even entertain that thought. If there is expansion in the works it would have to be a SLU and hopefully another school with a east coast base. The size of the market also has to be factored in. I believe any state funded school will be a red flag for expansion.
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Post by bostonfriar on Jan 14, 2014 11:06:09 GMT -5
Anything can happen and conversations are always interesting but the Presidents set forth the criteria they considered (and presumably will consider) for bE membership. Public universities 9in that criteria) are out. As I said, anything can happen but the original info from the Presidents set forth criteria and I would assume they stick to that criteria.
Supposedly Fox agreed to up the contract $$ if the BE went to 12 teams so that the $4M per school/per year payout remained the same as the contract for 10.
Not sure if that is still in effect but I do not see PC or other schools agreeing to water down the money they are now getting.
Just my opinion but chat away.
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Post by friarbroadcaster on Jan 14, 2014 11:24:15 GMT -5
BostonFriar brings up some really good points. I see the point made about fitting the criteria of the Big East.
As for the monetary aspect of FOX Sports 1 and the Big East: "Fox Sports unveiled a new 12 year rights agreement. The contract is reportedly worth $500 million and could reach $600 million if the conference expands to 12 schools" - found this in an article that detailed the deal back in March 2013.
So it appears the move to 12 schools is inevitable, IMHO.
As for Wichita State and VCU not being private schools: I definitely appreciate the criteria that has been put in place to ensure that these presidents establish a conference that will fall in line with the vision of the future stability of the Big East. And if that means it is Saint Louis and Dayton then so be it. I think Big East fans can live with that. And as I mentioned I could see that angle of plucking two schools from the A-10 and reducing that conference from 14 teams to 12 teams.
Anything can happen: ...Well, anything can happen.
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Post by cbeane51 on Jan 14, 2014 12:20:44 GMT -5
As for the monetary aspect of FOX Sports 1 and the Big East: "Fox Sports unveiled a new 12 year rights agreement. The contract is reportedly worth $500 million and could reach $600 million if the conference expands to 12 schools" - found this in an article that detailed the deal back in March 2013.
So it appears the move to 12 schools is inevitable, IMHO.
Not sure I follow this. 12 schools splitting $600 million vs. 10 schools splitting $500 million does not seem to provide a financial incentive for expansion. Is there a provision that the last two schools in would get less than an equal share? Without a push from Fox or a financial incentive, it would be interesting to see how quickly the current members would want to stir the expansion pot. Agreed that anything can happen though!!
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Post by friarbroadcaster on Jan 14, 2014 12:52:12 GMT -5
I think what I meant by this was the commitment from FOX Sports 1 to increase the deal to lure in two more teams.
10 teams, 12 years at $500 million: $4.16 million/team/year
And if I do the math correctly on the 10 or 11 years remaining on the deal, just bumped up to the overall $600 million it would mean that the 10 current schools would maintain the $4.16 million.
So the main purpose is to attract two new schools who would welcome over $4 million per year for the next 10 or 11 years.
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Post by pembroke04 on Jan 14, 2014 13:57:11 GMT -5
Having been through everything that the C7 went through, I can't see the BE seriously entertaining thoughts of inviting public universities into the BE.
Also, potential invitations should not focus on the head coach as much as the school. Look what happened with Butler. I could see the same thing happening with VCU.
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Post by cbeane51 on Jan 14, 2014 15:30:19 GMT -5
"And if I do the math correctly on the 10 or 11 years remaining on the deal, just bumped up to the overall $600 million it would mean that the 10 current schools would maintain the $4.16 million.
So the main purpose is to attract two new schools who would welcome over $4 million per year for the next 10 or 11 years."
I agree that the $ appear to be there to attract the two additional schools. What I'm stuck on is what's in it for the existing 10 schools if they receive $4.16 million per year over the life of the deal, whether there is an expansion or not. If there is a provision in the contract that presents the current ten schools with a substantial financial incentive to expand, or a substantial financial disincentive if they do not expand, that certainly would be an important consideration.
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Post by friarbroadcaster on Jan 14, 2014 15:49:03 GMT -5
I agree that the $ appear to be there to attract the two additional schools. What I'm stuck on is what's in it for the existing 10 schools if they receive $4.16 million per year over the life of the deal, whether there is an expansion or not. If there is a provision in the contract that presents the current ten schools with a substantial financial incentive to expand, or a substantial financial disincentive if they do not expand, that certainly would be an important consideration. See there is where we get into the teams being considered for the Big East expansion. If the presidents are sticking to the private school idea then VCU and Wichita State are out and I think getting Saint Louis and a Dayton makes no sense to expand. In my opinion, I would be looking at notoriety, exposure, ability to recruit, not just from the two schools that the Big East adds, but to the overall landscape of the Big East. If the Big East adds VCU then the credibility of this league goes up. If the Big East adds Wichita State, then the credibility of this league goes up. If the Big East adds Saint Louis then the credibility goes up, just not as much as VCU or Wichita State. I do think Saint Louis fits this conference, though. I really like the Billikens. It all needs to be on the table. Maybe the Big East holds off for a year or feels to keep the conversation going they announce the addition of two schools, but they do not come on board for 24 months or something. Anything can happen.
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Post by diehardfriar on Jan 14, 2014 16:00:08 GMT -5
"Virginia Commonwealth University athletics director Ed McLaughlin released a five-year strategic plan on Wednesday that he hopes will make the Rams a major player in Division I in all sports but football."
yeah good call walk
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Post by thewalk on Jan 14, 2014 20:13:21 GMT -5
And in the very next paragraph....
“We have to address the needs we have before we can address anything else,” McLaughlin said. “We will continue to keep (football) as something we know is a possibility. How strong of a possibility is really going to be determined by our work over the next five years.”
Hmmmmm.....
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Post by diehardfriar on Jan 14, 2014 22:13:17 GMT -5
what? how about whats before and after that?
The plan includes eight themes: strengthening VCU’s Division I position; enriching the student-athlete experience; expecting academic success; providing championship quality facilities; growing athletics revenues; sustaining fiscal responsibility; embracing equity and diversity; and constructing an optimal Division I infrastructure. Adding football is not part of the plan. “We have to address the needs we have before we can address anything else,” McLaughlin said. “We will continue to keep (football) as something we know is a possibility. How strong of a possibility is really going to be determined by our work over the next five years.”
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Post by thewalk on Jan 14, 2014 22:51:42 GMT -5
And you think the new BE wants to take that chance....joining the be conf is exactly the type of move they'd need to make football a possibility..
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Post by wtm97 on Jan 15, 2014 6:29:26 GMT -5
The whole VCU love affair is tied to Shaka...he leaves they go back to previous status...
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Post by bones91 on Jan 15, 2014 9:59:01 GMT -5
if FOX is forking over the money, my guess is that they will have some say on the expansion teams. I would think their main objective is geography - i.e. big/mid TV markets, while the presidents would be looking for bball only schools.
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Post by drairf on Jan 15, 2014 11:15:50 GMT -5
The whole VCU love affair is tied to Shaka...he leaves they go back to previous status... Anthony Grant and Jeff Capel had some sucess at VCU before Shaka. Not Shaka-success, but they both danced. Grant upset Duke in the first round one year.
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