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Post by friartown12 on Jan 5, 2014 0:35:04 GMT -5
Jim Donaldson: Different standards for PC, Florida State shar.es/9heBN via @projo
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Post by wtm97 on Jan 5, 2014 7:10:32 GMT -5
Good piece by Donaldson here playing off Fla State's green light vs. the PC suspensions. He touches upon many of the delicate and difficult questions/issues/consequences here including the impact on the Friar program's prospects to include recruiting as well as Cooley's future at PC...
As this unfolded, concerns began to surface for many throughout the murky process. As the uncertainty became extended, fan anxiety increased and even more rumors developed. For many, the hope was this was a manageable screw-up by immature kids - punish them and move on...many held on to that, focused on a one semester suspension followed by a return to the team, etc.
But all along there has been a sense this was beyond a straight-forward issue. The PR initially indicated we had a coach dealing with rules violation or something to be brushed aside as an mere 'rules violation'. Given the firm and final decision by the PC administration, the coach's ability to function as the disciplinarian/mentor has been compromised.
The short-term and long-term damages to our program are objectively significant - if you view this as strictly an objective circumstance. It makes watching and cheering difficult even painful knowing that the ripples will continue to affect our prospects for any chance at success on the court.
Agree or disagree, this is our reality going forward here for as Donaldson states:
What happens with everyone tied to the program remains to be seen.
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Post by oaklawnbob on Jan 5, 2014 8:16:07 GMT -5
Everyone needs to take a deep breath and chill out. We don't know what happened and we are making veiled claims that this one incident with 2 freshman basketball players will bring down the entire program. The newest rumor I read this morning is that there was a video involved. If I believe that I guess Cooley isn't so mad about that. Personally I believe this situation had to have more to do with just consentual sex. How many players over the years have been suspended for what we believe happened? None to my knowledge. If Austin wasn't a top 50 player would we all be reacting the same way? Some schools may use this episode as a negative recruiting tool. Coaches have used negative recruiting in the past and will do so again.
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Post by wtm97 on Jan 5, 2014 8:47:24 GMT -5
We are all over the place on this because so many have invested so much in supporting and following our Friars. What started out as a season of hope and high expectations has since exploded in our face; as mr. dex always says, "you can't make this stuff up." And no, I do not think "this one incident with 2 freshman basketball players will bring down the entire program."
We have been smitten by too many 'incidents' for too long - as have many other programs. Our reality is that the investment has been made and now that entire gambol has been once again set back; a series of damage that may have actually influenced this diffused decision causing many to do the head scratching we see here. It is a conundrum with serious implications both short and long term. At this point, overt negative recruiting is not even needed...a look and a smirk may suffice.
All the speculation, weeping and moaning is fine - catharsis is always a part of recovery - right now our eyes should be on Ed Cooley as what he does or does not do as a result of this mess is where the future will be for our Friar program.
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BTW oaklawn, your question in the other thread had me on the floor..."What the hell is borderline consensual sex anyway?" and it certainly touches on what many have said here - WE DON'T KNOW - what we do know is the decision was made, Austin is voting with his feet; Bullock remains, (for now anyway), and Ed Cooley is still the coach, right?
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Post by oaklawnbob on Jan 5, 2014 9:28:25 GMT -5
Yes WTM, being a PC fan has really sucked for quite awile. 1 step forward 2 steps back. Just too many kids have come and gone and the product has remained the same. Maybe Cooley has been recruiting the wrong guys for the program-I don't know, but is has been a frustrating ride for us. Lst year we wre debating whether or not Ledo would stay-then he's gone. What we thought would have been a great team this year is no gone. Add Dunn to the mix and it's a nut house. I'll still stick by the team as I have done in the past in the hope that one day it will be all worth it.
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Post by Rock on Jan 5, 2014 14:00:37 GMT -5
I think reality is that Ed has been horribly unlucky. Right from Gardner unexpectedly not being cleared to Dunn's injury to Ledo not clearing (and then bolting) to losing two recruits to an indiscretion that did not reach a criminal or academic level. I have confidence that his luck will change, it has to, but I'm just not sure how much patience will be left with fans by the time he does. I'm sure plenty will say Ed's made his own bed or that he has to own up to things but you can't deny the odd collection of voodoo that seems to have landed on him.
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Post by Cteve on Jan 5, 2014 14:20:20 GMT -5
"not Ledo would stay-then he's gone" --------------------------------------
I don't remember saying much about ledo because it always seemed ridiculous to me. Maybe it wasn't IDK. Maybe he was close. But it always seemed to me like a bad dream.
The current situation was untenable(traveling with the team but not cleared to play). The Adm. always wanted them to leave but just didn't want to dismiss them. So leaving on their own solved that. I'm sorry it happened. Price of doing business: just move forward.
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Post by wtm97 on Jan 5, 2014 14:37:17 GMT -5
He, meaning Ed Cooley, has done nothing wrong that I can tell rock - agree the turn of events have been uncanny and are bound to change, right?
My concern is how badly this last situation may have fractured the trust relationship between athletics and the academic administration. It extends beyond Ed Cooley to Bob Driscoll, reportedly solid in his support of Ed here, and then ultimately down-line to, well, (ahem) us...
We need some good luck and we need it sooner than later lest this program devolve into a "toughest, (read impossible), place to succeed." Guessing Sean McD and his ilk are watching with that atypical surly demeanor. Sad to say we are quite an easy target based on all the incidents and implications. Hopefully Cooley does emerge from this with a large measure of his already proclaimed passion and we will (finally), produce a program worthy of a sense of pride and accomplishment.
Right now we are at a low point...not quite the laughing stocks ala Keno-ball but close, very close.
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Post by thewalk on Jan 5, 2014 15:52:53 GMT -5
Rock - he's taken some risks when he probably shouldn't have....I realize it's an easy call now but kiwi and ledo were long shots...and sidiki didn't have the greatest rep...
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Post by friara on Jan 5, 2014 15:58:44 GMT -5
Rock - he's taken some risks when he probably shouldn't have....I realize it's an easy call now but kiwi and ledo were long shots...and sidiki didn't have the greatest rep... You have to take those risks. Even with them not working out, we went into this year 2 deep at every position. In order to win at PC, your high risk recruits have to work out. Ours did in the 90s. They have not since then.
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Post by thewalk on Jan 5, 2014 16:07:58 GMT -5
We have 2 PGs?
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Post by suspended poster on Jan 5, 2014 16:11:01 GMT -5
Assuming he's referring to Austin as a PG. Although I always assumed Austin's point guard aspirations were akin to Brew's belief that he was an 1. Remember BREW BROWN BALL??
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Post by friara on Jan 5, 2014 16:12:34 GMT -5
We had depth at the position. We did not have 2 pure PGs. We had enough players who could play PG. Just like a bunch of other programs that are better than us, too.
Between Dunn, Cotton, and Austin, I did not think the PG position would be a problem.
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Post by friara on Jan 5, 2014 16:17:45 GMT -5
Walk, before the year started, who, other than Nova and maybe Gtown, had more guard depth than us in the BE?
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Post by thewalk on Jan 5, 2014 16:51:03 GMT -5
I've not seen Austin pay outside of some video feeds so can't really comment on him being able to play the 1..2.,3... I assumed he was primarily a 3 since that's where he was ranked out of hs...
I ain't going through everyone but both creighton and Xavier have at least 4 guards averaging 10+ mpg....and I only looked at those two schools...
Brew brown ball....at least we got a couple games from them...
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