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Post by friar71 on May 3, 2015 20:28:56 GMT -5
While watching the NBA playoffs, you see some great shooters like Curry,Irving,Harden, Reddick etc. But I am also amazed at how many bad decisions shooters make. Several times a game you see a player go 1 against 2 0r 3 and throw up a 3 point shot. Now if that was a PC player, we would all be complaining. But watch how often you see an NBA player take a 3 when none of his players are even near the basket. The other thing I see a lot are really bad passes. Now obviously there are some great athletes stealing the ball, but there are way too many awful passes. I think some of it is the forwards hadle the ball more in the NBA but maybe they shouldn't be.
I think the difference is when many college players do these things they get the hook. But when they do it in the NBA, they seem to keep on playing.
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Post by Rock on May 5, 2015 14:21:43 GMT -5
Love this topic and as big NBA fan and admittedly biased (I'm a Celtics season ticket holder), I'd like to offer some comments.
Bad passes: The NBA turnover rate per minute is crazy low, much more so than college so I always come away amazed at the lack of bad passes. Funny how we can see that differently. Are there bad passes? Of course. Can they be explained away by the volume of play, games, fatigue, risk taking etc, yes. But by and large the league is pretty clean in this regard.
Bad shots: I too notice a lot of 1 on 2, 1 on 3 long shots and I can say that for some teams this is a strategy. If the shot is made it's a great weapon and if it's missed you can hope for a long rebound back to the shooter or at the very worst your defense is already in the half court area for retreat so it minimizes run-outs on missed 3's by a huge amount.
The NBA game gets a bad rap IMO from the standpoint of the quality of play but it certainly deserves a total ass kicking for it's horrific, demented, criminal officiating, which nearly ruins the entire experience for me.
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Post by thumper on May 5, 2015 16:38:42 GMT -5
Love this topic and as big NBA fan and admittedly biased (I'm a Celtics season ticket holder), I'd like to offer some comments. Bad passes: The NBA turnover rate per minute is crazy low, much more so than college so I always come away amazed at the lack of bad passes. Funny how we can see that differently. Are there bad passes? Of course. Can they be explained away by the volume of play, games, fatigue, risk taking etc, yes. But by and large the league is pretty clean in this regard. Bad shots: I too notice a lot of 1 on 2, 1 on 3 long shots and I can say that for some teams this is a strategy. If the shot is made it's a great weapon and if it's missed you can hope for a long rebound back to the shooter or at the very worst your defense is already in the half court area for retreat so it minimizes run-outs on missed 3's by a huge amount. The NBA game gets a bad rap IMO from the standpoint of the quality of play but it certainly deserves a total ass kicking for it's horrific, demented, criminal officiating, which nearly ruins the entire experience for me. Rock, My own two cents ... the NBA is theater, not anything aligned to the game Dr. Naismith started. Teams don't start to think defense until late in the game or during the playoffs. With no defense, the turnovers are less because the defense is playing back on their heels. As to shot selection, oftentimes it is a circus out there. Not many bad passes because there is often more selfishness with the ball and fewer passes. Good women's college basketball is the purest form of basketball and ... often showcasing the best bunch of percentage shooters. Men's college basketball is my favorite ... mixing in the pure college aesthetic with impressive athleticism often displayed. But a couple of 4th quarter NBA games will be the total of my TV playoff experience most years. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by pc88 on May 5, 2015 20:23:55 GMT -5
Anyone that thinks that there is no defense in the NBA just doesn't watch the NBA. Your 2nd and 5th paragraphs are also illogical. You first state a fact and then admit that you don't watch.
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Post by friar71 on May 5, 2015 22:32:49 GMT -5
Love this topic and as big NBA fan and admittedly biased (I'm a Celtics season ticket holder), I'd like to offer some comments. Bad passes: The NBA turnover rate per minute is crazy low, much more so than college so I always come away amazed at the lack of bad passes. Funny how we can see that differently. Are there bad passes? Of course. Can they be explained away by the volume of play, games, fatigue, risk taking etc, yes. But by and large the league is pretty clean in this regard. Bad shots: I too notice a lot of 1 on 2, 1 on 3 long shots and I can say that for some teams this is a strategy. If the shot is made it's a great weapon and if it's missed you can hope for a long rebound back to the shooter or at the very worst your defense is already in the half court area for retreat so it minimizes run-outs on missed 3's by a huge amount. The NBA game gets a bad rap IMO from the standpoint of the quality of play but it certainly deserves a total ass kicking for it's horrific, demented, criminal officiating, which nearly ruins the entire experience for me. Rock: This past season, average Big East game had 24 turnovers per game in 40 minutes. Average NBA game had 27.2 in 48 minutes or 22.6 in 40 minutes. Close to home, PC averaged 12 per game and Celtics averaged 13.3 in 48 minutes
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Post by thumper on May 5, 2015 23:47:06 GMT -5
Anyone that thinks that there is no defense in the NBA just doesn't watch the NBA. Your 2nd and 5th paragraphs are also illogical. You first state a fact and then admit that you don't watch. Or why I don't watch it much anymore. Just my opinion, pc88. And I'm not alone in that thinking. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by Rock on May 6, 2015 7:32:11 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification on turnovers '71. I think if we went beyond just the BE or looked at types of TO's (NBA may have more charging TO's for example) I would still argue that passing in the NBA is far better than college basketball but your numbers make it seems less so, I agree.
Thump, I think your dislike of the NBA (fair enough) has convinced you of a few commonly held mis-truths, defense being one of them, not playing hard being the other. Shot-selection issues are less about selfishness and more about confidence in many cases, not all, but most IMO.
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Post by craigl79 on May 6, 2015 8:27:53 GMT -5
:well we know the NBA doesn't have more traveling turnovers.
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Post by thumper on May 6, 2015 9:23:07 GMT -5
:well we know the NBA doesn't have more traveling turnovers. Craigl79, when I was training basketball officials, one of my trainees actually brought in an NBA manual. It actually said that players are allowed "3 paces after receiving a pass". It avoided the word "steps" but we all knew what was happening. The traveling rule in the NBA is unlike the FIBA, the NCAA or the Federation/IAABO interpretation. It's all about theater. And don't get me started on the "Euro Step" made popular by the NBA's Manu Ginobili. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by pc88 on May 6, 2015 9:56:30 GMT -5
Anyone that thinks that there is no defense in the NBA just doesn't watch the NBA. Your 2nd and 5th paragraphs are also illogical. You first state a fact and then admit that you don't watch. Or why I don't watch it much anymore. Just my opinion, pc88. And I'm not alone in that thinking. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! Understood Thump. Does that mean that if college basketball evolved into a similar product as the NBA that you would relinquish your seats and stop watching the Friars and March Madness?
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Post by thumper on May 6, 2015 12:11:01 GMT -5
Or why I don't watch it much anymore. Just my opinion, pc88. And I'm not alone in that thinking. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! Understood Thump. Does that mean that if college basketball evolved into a similar product as the NBA that you would relinquish your seats and stop watching the Friars and March Madness? Why would I waste my time worrying about hypotheticals? I'm just going to enjoy the game I love today. Remember the serenity prayer ... God grant me the Serenity to accept the things I cannot change ... Maybe you can lie awake worrying about what I'd do if ... but I'm getting my 4 tickets next year again and enjoy the Friars! PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by peeps on May 8, 2015 21:11:29 GMT -5
the houston gm tried to sell van gundy that 2 bad shots statistically is ALWAYS better than one good shot. when asked to quantify that in wins, the gm said it equals 1 more win every year and a half if they always did the 2 for 1. van gundy said... yeah i'm not gonna do that.
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