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Post by yankeefriar on Feb 16, 2018 11:39:19 GMT -5
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Post by craigl79 on Feb 16, 2018 12:51:39 GMT -5
It certainly was a unique experience for me. I was sitting at one of the tables right in front of the student section on the Villanova side of the court. I got sprayed with beer a couple of times but no other real problems other than that. I expected the students to be raucous and unruly going in so it did not surprise me. When they stormed the court they all did go around me but the two tables right next to me were destroyed. In my opinion I can’t want the Dunk to be the biggest pit in college basketball and then complain when the students get too rowdy.
I find that the PC administration and the Dunkin Donuts Center to be totally hypocritical for a number of reasons.
First, I never knew that you had to be 21 to be a student at Providence College. Every student behind me, and I mean every student had a 24 ounce can of beer in their hands. Obviously the Dunk is selling all these beers and obviously the PC administration is seeing all these students drinking beers. Hey, if I was a PC student I would be right there with them.
After they reloaded at halftime most of them were pretty much toasted soon after the second half started. The f##k you Jay Wright chants was a result of Jay’s losing control of himself and getting a bench warning from the ref. It continued because the students were plastered. If you expect a bunch of drunk college students to chant “ Steve Wright Please Control Your Anger” you are going to be sorely disappointed.
As far as the foul language is concerned your head coach uses every name in the book and a few that aren’t even in the book. It is just that a small percentage of people hear it instead of the whole crowd.
It is also hypocritical for the administration to be disappointed by the court storming and also at the same time post pictures and videos of it on their social media sites.
You can’t expect to have your students behave when you make it so easy for underage students to get alcohol.
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Post by dex on Feb 16, 2018 14:02:07 GMT -5
I blame friggin Harry for inciting the kids. I wish they rushed him clear out of RI
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Post by pcdad on Feb 16, 2018 15:00:47 GMT -5
Is Harry the guy from central casting with the tightly cut thinning slicked back "black" hair with the microphone sitting on the sideline or is he someone who roams around the arena and engage the audience for a photoop on the big screen?
("Keenan Wynn" sits behind the announcers most games for his camera shots?)
The male students mugging for the tv camera looked young and "energized". Alcohol, especially for the novice drinker, fuels unpredictable behavior.
That said, I am more aligned with Fr. Shanley and Mr. Driscoll for calling out the students for chanting expletives. What do you expect them to do, condone it? It is tasteless and unnecessary. Though Jay was fired up! being restrained by his staff. Beer muscles came out in the student sections.
Hey, the Creighton fans on $1 beer nights are civil and they've had some heartbreaking losses this season.
Is it me or were most of us exposed to evil alcohol at a younger age when the neighborhood boys started drinking before adolescence. The bodegas sold beer and malt liquor to anyone, the liquor stores sold half pints to anyone 13 or older. Many taverns had $1 pitcher nights mid-week to empty the kegs before the weekend came for the regular, allowing 16 year olds to gather unchallenged for ID. Maybe we were just more experienced than college students of today. (Though my children and friends acquired fake ID when underage.) I imagine most college students must carry false identification to obtain alcohol. We can debate the criminalization of underage drinking when the legal age was pushed to 21. We know the arguments for and against. Maybe more affluent undergrads at PC have to leave home to have their first "Fatal Glass of Beer"? (Dex remembers that film).
One may only have one chance to rush the court in one's life. If not as a college student when?
There are greater transgressions than boorish behavior. Doesn't PC enforce tight controls on campus for alcohol and underage consumption? suspensions from activities, probation?
Call me ambivalent to drunken college students chanting obscenities. It seemed hilarious to them. If confronted most would back down as they aren't built to take any retribution.
Yet, Mr. Driscoll's message of "acting as if you've been there before" was probably the better choice.
I'd rather tackle more serious problems on campus than PC's public image. Were any cars burned? Was their wilding on the streets of downtown PC? No.
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Post by FriarNut on Feb 16, 2018 15:26:18 GMT -5
wonder how much the fine is
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Post by thefriarman on Feb 16, 2018 15:33:40 GMT -5
I can tell you a few games ago seeing some of the young women co-eds who looked like they were HS teens drinking beer was wondering if I need to show my ID next time I get a beer. (not that I ever would at the exorbitant prices they charge and as Dex knows I rarely drink alcoholic beverages)  Since we were at the other end of the court, really did not hear the expletive going Jay's way but they certainly could come up with something a little less disparaging. (Now if this was the other foot at Nova and Cooley was getting the warning would the good students at Nova be much better in selection of words? Just askin.) Maybe the Philly arena people do a better job of checking IDs versus the union folks at the Dunk. Oh, at the PC end student section there were a few crazy male students throwing water bottles from the middle of the group down to the front...stupid.... |
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Post by friar82 on Feb 16, 2018 15:54:34 GMT -5
I was disappointed to hear about the "explicatives" being directed at Jay Wright. Not good.
The line between "Rowdy" (encouraged) and "Raunchy" (discouraged) can easily get blurred when one consumes large quantities of adult beverages.
My sense is that intoxication is typically the result of "pre-gaming" (something I know nothing about), as opposed to the quantity beer one purchases and drinks at the Dunk. Heck, the time it takes to buy anything from concessions and the limits on how much can be purchased at any one time is enough to prevent one from getting drunk.
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Post by FriarNut on Feb 16, 2018 16:03:58 GMT -5
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Post by drairf on Feb 16, 2018 16:13:24 GMT -5
I personally wish they would go back to lobbing silicone toys on to the court.
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Post by thumper on Feb 16, 2018 16:55:09 GMT -5
I was disappointed to hear about the "explicatives" being directed at Jay Wright. Not good. The line between "Rowdy" (encouraged) and "Raunchy" (discouraged) can easily get blurred when one consumes large quantities of adult beverages. My sense is that intoxication is typically the result of "pre-gaming" (something I know nothing about), as opposed to the quantity beer one purchases and drinks at the Dunk. Heck, the time it takes to buy anything from concessions and the limits on how much can be purchased at any one time is enough to prevent one from getting drunk. friar82, solid post. As to the students, they can send $150 to a source in China (yes, that's what I said, knowing coeds at Fairfield and St. Anselm's who did such) and they get back an almost impeccable and foolproof ID. The Dunk checks everyone and the students have a great false ID. What can the Dunk do? But there's one thing about hoisting one or two tall boys, I'm 71 and do the same (perhaps even after having a Colley's Cooler at The Vig). But there's also a sense of ownership of one's action. I have no problem with rushing the court (and I knew at that time that a fine would be forthcoming) but the crude language is inappropriate. Jay Wright didn't deserve it and it did not represent PC well. Bob D was right and I hope next time we act as if the win was expected. Think the last time we rushed the court was when we beat Pittsburgh. Nevertheless, it was a magical night and a time to be a proud Friar. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! |
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Post by FriarNut on Feb 16, 2018 16:55:27 GMT -5
I can tell you a few games ago seeing some of the young women co-eds who looked like they were HS teens drinking beer was wondering if I need to show my ID next time I get a beer. (not that I ever would at the exorbitant prices they charge and as Dex knows I rarely drink alcoholic beverages) Since we were at the other end of the court, really did not hear the expletive going Jay's way but they certainly could come up with something a little less disparaging. (Now if this was the other foot at Nova and Cooley was getting the warning would the good students at Nova be much better in selection of words? Just askin.) Maybe the Philly arena people do a better job of checking IDs versus the union folks at the Dunk. Oh, at the PC end student section there were a few crazy male students throwing water bottles from the middle of the group down to the front...stupid.... The Dunk is extremely strict on checking ID's. I'd assume it's mostly the older students supplying the younger one's(especially good looking females) Also obvious a ton of half pints and pints are getting into the Dunk via the purse rout |
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Post by friar82 on Feb 16, 2018 17:00:41 GMT -5
I had no idea that such a policy - complete with fines, existed. Doubt that the students knew about it as well (and would really care, if they knew). Having said this, the school probably needs issue an email that explains the logic (safety) and consequences (fines, and potential injuries/damage) to students. Statements such as Bob Driscoll's "Act like you've been there before" may come across as condescending to the very students who you appeal to in hopes of making the Dunk a tough place to play. Crowd mentality being what it is, court storming is a tough thing to control. The message needs to clearly explain the logic and consequences behind the School's stance, or there's little chance that students will understand and appreciate the basis for a policy - the next time we beat a Top-3 team at the Dunk  |
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Post by FriarNut on Feb 16, 2018 17:04:02 GMT -5
I feel as long as it's a top 5 opponent rushing is not a bad thing. Gives the students something to look forward to and also adds incentive to attend the big games. I think every student wants the chance to say "I was on the court!!"
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Post by friar82 on Feb 16, 2018 17:28:44 GMT -5
Getting back to my prior post, regarding the "Act Like You've Been There Before" statement... While college age students do this in the midst or our celebrating coach...  Adults such as our AD take advantage of their access to do this...   Not to knock Bob Driscoll, as he's done a spectacular job advancing our athletics program. Spectacular. He needs to recognize that when the spirit moves him, he too feels compelled to jump in on a good celebration (albeit in a more adult like manner, which is expected of someone his age)...and in doing so, runs the risk that some might tell him (whether justified or not) to "Act like you've been there before, Bob" Memo to Bob: It absolutely makes sense to issue very direct and terse statements about chanting profanities. Where it comes to the court storming, however, take the time to craft the right message as this should be a "teaching moment" . Don't risk the chance at being viewed as condescending by the very students who the team counts on to make the Dunk a tough place to play. Rather, treat them like adults, and take the time to explain the logic and consequences associated with the Big East's court storming policy. Hopefully, the students will take the time to read the email, and like myself now (having read the Butler article), walk away with an understanding and appreciation for why PC's Administration is having to come out against the Court Storming. Great that the student's want to celebrate - but the Conference forbids it for some justifiable reasons. Fortunately, no one was hurt (at least it hasn't been reported). That said, PC Athletics appears to be posting a lot of Tweets that include pictures of the students celebrating on the court. Might I suggest that their getting a lot more than $5000 (amount of the fine) in promotional "punch", with these tweets showing how much fun it is to attend a PC game. |
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Post by themick on Feb 16, 2018 18:54:19 GMT -5
I can tell you a few games ago seeing some of the young women co-eds who looked like they were HS teens drinking beer was wondering if I need to show my ID next time I get a beer. (not that I ever would at the exorbitant prices they charge and as Dex knows I rarely drink alcoholic beverages) Since we were at the other end of the court, really did not hear the expletive going Jay's way but they certainly could come up with something a little less disparaging. (Now if this was the other foot at Nova and Cooley was getting the warning would the good students at Nova be much better in selection of words? Just askin.) Maybe the Philly arena people do a better job of checking IDs versus the union folks at the Dunk. Oh, at the PC end student section there were a few crazy male students throwing water bottles from the middle of the group down to the front...stupid.... The Dunk is extremely strict on checking ID's. I'd assume it's mostly the older students supplying the younger one's(especially good looking females) Also obvious a ton of half pints and pints are getting into the Dunk via the purse rout The Dunk is not strict at all. They accept the out of state fake IDs. All they have to do is ask for the PC ID as well and the kids wouldn't risk losing their fake ones at the game. The kids were wasted because the pregaming started at 3 or 4. |
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