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Post by Rock on Jun 27, 2014 11:41:43 GMT -5
As some will recall, I engaged in earnest debate all last spring on the decision by Ricky Ledo to enter the NBA draft without playing a season of college basketball. The arguments for and against were many. Some of the one's supporting his decision sounded like this:
- Go in '13 because the '14 draft was too strong - Go in '13 because he would hit free agency sooner - The D-League isn't so bad - His mother needed him to support her in '13 and couldn't wait till '14 - Getting $800K in '13 & '14 was better than possibly getting $1.5MM+ in '14, '15, '16
Well, I took the other side of all these points and stood on the grounds that if he was as good as advertised he would go in the top-20 in the '14 draft and secure a 3-year, $4.5+ million deal and have a greater commitment from his NBA team. Looking at last nights draft I say he would have gone somewhere between 16-20 (did he not grade out similarly to the Young kid the C's took at 17?)
Thoughts?
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Post by friar82 on Jun 27, 2014 11:50:48 GMT -5
Given his size and talent, I would suspect that he would at the very least have gone prior to the Brazilian who Toronto took with the 20th pick in the First Round. That was a truly bizarre selection.
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Post by wtm97 on Jun 27, 2014 12:18:03 GMT -5
Where is he now? (serious question)
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Post by kcfriar on Jun 27, 2014 13:20:37 GMT -5
Dallas Mavs, I believe.
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Post by pc88 on Jun 27, 2014 20:30:07 GMT -5
You're either good enough or you're not. Ricky dud not show in the D League that he was good enough. If someone took him in the first round after what he showed this year, he'd be a bust.
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Post by peeps on Jun 27, 2014 22:24:24 GMT -5
i think playing competitive ball for the first time in years would have been easier in this year's big east. i still say he would have been a guaranteed top 20.
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Post by Cteve on Jun 27, 2014 22:59:43 GMT -5
When he was a Hendricken --it's said-- someone told him that if he stayed there and completed his Jr. Sr. years he would realize his goals. He wouldn't do it. Too many absences. So he went from school to school which effectively trashed his college plans. The point is he just isn't going to think of anything other than the present. He wasn't staying at BHHS or PC or anyplace. That's it.
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Post by thewalk on Jun 30, 2014 8:18:15 GMT -5
well said 88....now you can make the obvious argument that if he's not good enough, 3 or 4 years of free education would be the preferred route, but that was never an option with this kid....he was at PC b/c it was the best single year option..worst case get free room and board close to home and have scouts come the practices....best case be eligible and play in the BE...2 years was never on the table.....
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Post by Rock on Jun 30, 2014 11:16:47 GMT -5
2 years was never on the table..... Which doesn't mean it shouldn't have been. This thread of discussion was never about what Ricky might do it was about what he SHOULD do. ' 88, to suggest that Ricky struggled in the D-League and therefore would have struggled in the BE (enough so scouts quit on his potential) is a leap I can't make as easily as you have here. I do think the notion forwarded by Cteve and seconded by walk is a sound one. Ricky had zero history of stability and PC wasn't going to change that.
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Post by thewalk on Jun 30, 2014 11:28:40 GMT -5
'88, to suggest that Ricky struggled in the D-League and therefore would have struggled in the BE (enough so scouts quit on his potential) is a leap I can't make as easily as you have here....an equally large leap is to assume he would have played his way to a top 20 pick....the fact is nobody has seen him play against quality competition for a long enough period of time to make any assessment on his ability or guess where he'd be picked....
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Post by wtm97 on Jun 30, 2014 12:20:44 GMT -5
So I ask again, where is he now?
Languishing into obscurity in the D League perhaps?
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Post by pc88 on Jun 30, 2014 12:31:14 GMT -5
Rock,
Not comparing the two. I'm looking at what happens this year and beyond. I'm not sure that Dallas viewed his last season with the confidence that they solved their 2G position for the foreseeable future.
I guess the real question is if you could re-enter the draft from the D -League, would an NBA team take Ricky in the first round this year after his body of work last season. My guess is no. The D League is closer to the NBA than NCAA hoops is and he didn't distinguish himself enough and he loses the proverbial upside from playing in the NCAA this season. That doesn't mean that he wouldn't have been drafted in the 1st round this year. It just means to me that he would end up being a bust.
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Post by pc1971 on Jun 30, 2014 12:47:42 GMT -5
let's see if he is on the Mav's Summer League team in July.
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Post by Rock on Jun 30, 2014 13:03:50 GMT -5
>>an equally large leap is to assume he would have played his way to a top 20 pick<<
walk, very few guys play there way into a top-20 selection. It's essentially a grab at "potential" and a year at PC would have given him that chance. Heck practices almost did!
'88, as for the idea that if you can't play in the D-League, how would anyone have trusted him coming out of the BE ? I'd answer that the D-League is too strong and may have exposed RL. That had less chance of happening at PC, so it further proves (IMO) that he should have stayed.
No big deal either way, I get that. You can play or you can't and eventually that gets worked out - some more quickly and less profitably than others. In RL's case I think he landed himself in the 'some more quickly' category and that possibly could have been stalled with a better decision last June.
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Post by flyerlax06 on Jun 30, 2014 13:13:47 GMT -5
let's see if he is on the Mav's Summer League team in July. I can't imagine why he wouldn't be.
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