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Post by thumper on Jan 3, 2014 17:03:22 GMT -5
Just because someone can play the 2/3 in college doesn't mean he's a tweener. Usually you hear the "tweener" label for undersized PF"s who come in at 6'6-6'7. Brooks isn't a forward in the NBA and never was a forward in the NBA so he can't be a tweener and if you like to believe he was one while here that's fine as well. Big SG's usually play some SF at the college level but it doesn't mean they are tweeners......at least IMO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE NBA. Geez Louise for the second time! Let's agree that we disagree and leave it at that. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! |
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Post by thumper on Jan 3, 2014 17:09:16 GMT -5
Thump - do you read the entire thread or just go to my posts?....diehard indicated you need to play in an NCAA tourney....i pointed out the bryce will not....not my criteria... AND it's not a criticism to call someone who's been a shooting guard his entire life a "B" passer....in fact that's the main reason he didn't get more run at the point as a soph when we desperatley needed help...but what do i know...he's a friar so he gets an A....all friars get As....no matter the record... you think emt was an "A" passer? What are you saying, MASTERFLUSHER? Please re-read diehard's post. Nowhere did he say you "need to play in a NCAA tourney". He simply pointed out that the people I named first (not any top-ten list) had won and played in the NCAA. And don't kiss your own azz thinking I dwell solely on the "foul turds" emanating from your posts. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! |
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Post by thewalk on Jan 3, 2014 17:25:30 GMT -5
No, you can't include Brooks in that list. Everyone of those guys you mentioned won!! and helped their team get to the NCAA Tournament...
is kyle wright a tweener?...
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Post by drairf on Jan 3, 2014 17:56:05 GMT -5
Thump - do you read the entire thread or just go to my posts?....diehard indicated you need to play in an NCAA tourney....i pointed out the bryce will not....not my criteria... AND it's not a criticism to call someone who's been a shooting guard his entire life a "B" passer....in fact that's the main reason he didn't get more run at the point as a soph when we desperatley needed help...but what do i know...he's a friar so he gets an A....all friars get As....no matter the record... you think emt was an "A" passer? If guys like Shammgod and Abdullah were "A" passers, then I do not see anything wrong with calling Cotton a "B" passer. |
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Post by wtm97 on Jan 3, 2014 18:33:56 GMT -5
Passing has been one of the weakest parts of his game so yes, a "B" from walk is indeed high praise. Still do not think he is a great passer but adequate if not a good one; it is the very fact that he has adapted and stepped up here that impresses me the most. Cotton is a baller and has game.
Wonder if he ever played PG before becoming a Friar?
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Post by thewalk on Jan 3, 2014 18:47:36 GMT -5
Wonder if he ever played PG before becoming a Friar? ...i have no clue but i doubt it...if he had developed a PG skill set wiht that shot out of HS he doesn't leave the state of arizona....
and once again...the point of giving cotton a B dishing the rock was to point out and terrible the rest of the team at passing the ball....the comments under the solution thread are great if we had anyone with the ability to give cotton the ball stepping into a jumper...unfortunately it usuually results in a hesitation...cotton getting it too late and having to create....OR a turnover...
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 20:03:42 GMT -5
wtm wrote: "it is the very fact that he has adapted and stepped up here that impresses me the most. Cotton is a baller and has game."
Bravo you Great core MOD...that is the whole point and why I suspect Mr. Cotton will be a top Friar all time Guard by the time he hangs them up.
Oh but you haven't seen nuttin yet...watch the denigration of this kid and his coach as the losses mount...that's what uconn sympathizers do. They also try to correct ie extend and revise their remarks after the fact.
Fortunately they are in the minority...as in ONE. Absolutely no appreciation of the game or it's participants. Screw'em
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 20:07:14 GMT -5
Friar71 wrote: "A person who is seldom mentioned when discussing elite PC guards is Michael Brown."
Why do you think that is the case?
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Post by Grant Siff on Jan 3, 2014 20:08:10 GMT -5
dec is hitting the sauce early! YOU GOT OVER SERVED!
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 20:37:08 GMT -5
Ab and Sham were off the charts A+ set-up men and neither would be in my all time great guards. However their great unbelievable fantastic skill in passing the basketball is even more fondly remembered because they played with guys that actually did finish with baskets.
Last year we would debate Dunn's passing ..especially before it got better and better. I remember charting some terrific set-ups he made last year that were not converted by one of our offensively challenged players. Naturally those plays were nothing but passing blips on the radar screen. While Cotton is not in Dunn's league passing, I watch him dancing on the outside trying to get screens and I imagine him thinking....would one of you guys please roll after a pick so I can give you a layup? as Sonar said after the game, it's all about basketball IQ and mental mistakes and our team needs to change that more than anything else.
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Post by friar71 on Jan 3, 2014 20:57:27 GMT -5
Friar71 wrote: "A person who is seldom mentioned when discussing elite PC guards is Michael Brown." Why do you think that is the case? I think because he was not flashy. He finished 10th in assists, 5th in steals, upper teens in scoring and started all 4 years. He always covered the best guard on the defensive end. But I think his biggest accomplishment, he won more Big East games than any Friar in history. |
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Post by thewalk on Jan 3, 2014 21:49:14 GMT -5
Not sure how uconn worked its way into another post but dex never fails....what has uconn ever done?....yup...I'll sit back and take the heat for calling our 2G a b passer....
Any hiss poor decisions in those tosses by mr Dunn?....naa...only if he was a husky....
The glasses are frightening......and clueless....
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Post by drairf on Jan 4, 2014 9:21:57 GMT -5
Friar71 wrote: "A person who is seldom mentioned when discussing elite PC guards is Michael Brown." Why do you think that is the case? I think because he was not flashy. He finished 10th in assists, 5th in steals, upper teens in scoring and started all 4 years. He always covered the best guard on the defensive end. But I think his biggest accomplishment, he won more Big East games than any Friar in history. I loved Brown's game. He was a good shooter, very consistent and a good defender. Extremely reliable player. Also a good guy and student. I think he gets overlooked for a couple of reasons. He didn't put up monster numbers, or huge games, like other greats. He had the body of a PG but was a natural 2G. Similar to Cotton, he managed the point when needed (one year between Abdullah and Shamm) but was better at the two. Dex, agree Shamm and Abdullah were A++ passers and they also had guys to catch and finish. Council was probably an A passer as well who had Greedy and Brooks to finish but not much else. You think Shamm would have finished Top 10 on your list had he stayed 4 years? Speaking of players being overlooked, Council was another one. He got zero respect on these boards after his sophomore year. People were pushing him out the door in favor of Dunn (who was still unproven at PG at the college level). That hasn't worked out too well. This team would probably dance if we had VC this year. |
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Post by thewalk on Jan 4, 2014 9:45:25 GMT -5
Browns numbers also didn't increase like the others....mainly due playing with nba talent...the ultimate team player....
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Post by friar71 on Jan 4, 2014 10:35:34 GMT -5
I loved Brown's game. He was a good shooter, very consistent and a good defender. Extremely reliable player. Also a good guy and student. I think he gets overlooked for a couple of reasons. He didn't put up monster numbers, or huge games, like other greats. He had the body of a PG but was a natural 2G. Similar to Cotton, he managed the point when needed (one year between Abdullah and Shamm) but was better at the two. I agree he was really a 2 guard but for his career he still finished in PC's career top 10 for assists. I assume he dropped to 11 after Council. Speaking of players being overlooked, Council was another one. He got zero respect on these boards after his sophomore year. People were pushing him out the door in favor of Dunn (who was still unproven at PG at the college level). That hasn't worked out too well. This team would probably dance if we had VC this year. Cotton as well especially 2nd half of last season. |
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