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Post by yankeefriar on Jan 3, 2014 14:30:19 GMT -5
I classify Brooks as a guard. I'd take Carlton Screen and Shamm over Brooks. Brooks got a lot of his points because there was no supporting cast and he did nothing to make his teammates better. Screen and Shamm made their teams go.
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 14:33:10 GMT -5
I'm not into one-hit-wonders so MarShon would not make my list, not to mention the rest of his game. I would credit him with some good defensive rebounding his senior year to be fair but his career was deficient.
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Post by thewalk on Jan 3, 2014 14:37:23 GMT -5
Hey dex - i do not...stick with the core
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 14:53:00 GMT -5
No problem walk...works for me
I do not consider Riordan to be a Guard. He was basically a 4/3 his first two years and then a 3/4 his senior season. Benny and walker were the guards Mike's first two years.
I can see where this can be a generational thing and I judge them in the era in which they played, but here's 6 that I think would fit with most of us:
Walker, Ernie, Wilkins, EMT, Sonar, and Egan.
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Post by thewalk on Jan 3, 2014 14:54:56 GMT -5
mike had a great bar in annapolis....closed a couple years back...
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Post by thumper on Jan 3, 2014 15:29:58 GMT -5
Funny this thread was started ... Last night I tried to go through the top guards who played at PC ... guys like Wilkens, Egan, Ernst, Flynn, Walker, Riordan, DeGregorio, Hassett, Donovan, and Murdock. Probably could include Brooks in that list, though he's a tweener.I think Bryce fits in our all-time top ten. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! No, you can't include Brooks in that list. Everyone of those guys you mentioned won!! and helped their team get to the NCAA Tournament......also do you know the meaning of tweener? Brooks isn't a tweener Brooks was listed in the Friar Media Guide (when he played) as a G/F. Where I come from, that's a tweener! And Dex, Riordan was a tweener in my book as well. I agree, leading to my inclusion of Bryce. And from the bowels of the mid-Atlantic, the brain that gave Bryce a b for passing, has thrown the kid out of consideration. Is it costly to carry around that dark cloud with you? Geez Louise, gimme a freakin' break. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 15:46:26 GMT -5
Thump Mike didn't play guard his first two years because Walker and Benny held down the backcourt. Mike and Billy Blair played the forward positions and they were in the neighborhood of 6-4 and 6-3. By his senior year, mike and Walk handled the ball a lot and if it was today I would call Mike a SF. One thing is for sure, Mike proved in his senior year that he could play basketball in multiple positions and at the next level. Certainly one of the all time greats who I had the pleasure of meeting several years ago.
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Post by drairf on Jan 3, 2014 15:59:38 GMT -5
I'm not into one-hit-wonders so MarShon would not make my list, not to mention the rest of his game. I would credit him with some good defensive rebounding his senior year to be fair but his career was deficient. I wouldn't necessarily add Brooks to my list, but he did average double-figures in 3 out of his 4 years at PC, so not really a one-hitter. Maybe Herb Hill would be the biggest one-hit wonder?
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Post by dex on Jan 3, 2014 16:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by thumper on Jan 3, 2014 16:07:00 GMT -5
Thump Mike didn't play guard his first two years because Walker and Benny held down the backcourt. Mike and Billy Blair played the forward positions and they were in the neighborhood of 6-4 and 6-3. By his senior year, mike and Walk handled the ball a lot and if it was today I would call Mike a SF. One thing is for sure, Mike proved in his senior year that he could play basketball in multiple positions and at the next level. Certainly one of the all time greats who I had the pleasure of meeting several years ago. I'm agreeing with you Dex about Riordan (tweener). In my original post I did not name top ten guards, just listed names. But I did say, and believe, that Bryce belongs in a top ten of guards. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by diehardfriar on Jan 3, 2014 16:15:56 GMT -5
No, you can't include Brooks in that list. Everyone of those guys you mentioned won!! and helped their team get to the NCAA Tournament......also do you know the meaning of tweener? Brooks isn't a tweener Brooks was listed in the Friar Media Guide (when he played) as a G/F. Where I come from, that's a tweener! And Dex, Riordan was a tweener in my book as well. I agree, leading to my inclusion of Bryce. And from the bowels of the mid-Atlantic, the brain that gave Bryce a b for passing, has thrown the kid out of consideration. Is it costly to carry around that dark cloud with you? Geez Louise, gimme a freakin' break. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! he's a 6'5 SG......and a very long one at that ideal #2 man far from tweener
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Post by thumper on Jan 3, 2014 16:25:12 GMT -5
Brooks was listed in the Friar Media Guide (when he played) as a G/F. Where I come from, that's a tweener! And Dex, Riordan was a tweener in my book as well. I agree, leading to my inclusion of Bryce. And from the bowels of the mid-Atlantic, the brain that gave Bryce a b for passing, has thrown the kid out of consideration. Is it costly to carry around that dark cloud with you? Geez Louise, gimme a freakin' break. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! he's a 6'5 SG......and a very long one at that idea #2 man far from tweener Please go back to the archives. What the heck does G/F mean? Brooks was listed that way ALL 4 years. Council, Coleman, Cotton and Carter were listed as G his senior year. I know what you're trying to say but, fact is, he played a lot of 3. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by thewalk on Jan 3, 2014 16:30:49 GMT -5
Thump - do you read the entire thread or just go to my posts?....diehard indicated you need to play in an NCAA tourney....i pointed out the bryce will not....not my criteria...
AND it's not a criticism to call someone who's been a shooting guard his entire life a "B" passer....in fact that's the main reason he didn't get more run at the point as a soph when we desperatley needed help...but what do i know...he's a friar so he gets an A....all friars get As....no matter the record...
you think emt was an "A" passer?
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Post by friar71 on Jan 3, 2014 16:35:19 GMT -5
A person who is seldom mentioned when discussing elite PC guards is Michael Brown. He was a terrific guard at both ends of the court. When you look at the PC record book, he is listed in the top 10 in numerous categories.
I am pretty sure Brooks like Riordan played more games at small forward than guard at PC.
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Post by diehardfriar on Jan 3, 2014 16:52:19 GMT -5
Just because someone can play the 2/3 in college doesn't mean he's a tweener. Usually you hear the "tweener" label for undersized PF"s who come in at 6'6-6'7. Brooks isn't a forward in the NBA and never was a forward in the NBA so he can't be a tweener and if you like to believe he was one while here that's fine as well. Big SG's usually play some SF at the college level but it doesn't mean they are tweeners......at least IMO
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