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Post by colonel on Oct 21, 2013 8:03:19 GMT -5
We don't have to beat the old Big East - the old Big East is dead! We just have to beat the dozen or so other conferences trying to be the third best college basketball conference behind the ACC & the Big Ten!
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Post by dmac80 on Oct 21, 2013 8:29:40 GMT -5
When the BE originally formed, it became a powerhouse league and the tv contracts and $ followed. If it happens again, the same will follow. Is there a team that can be a national powerhouse in this group to anchor the league? That is a good question. I think it can be SJU and Gtown. I think MQ is going to be a top 20 team most years. And I think the depth behind those 3 will continue to be strong. I don't see the BE passing the B1G or the ACC but I do see a league that is powerful enough to bring in money. In this case we already got the TV contract (way more TV) and money (way more money) from Fox. Lucky I guess. But I agree with your overall point. |
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Post by wtm97 on Oct 21, 2013 8:58:26 GMT -5
I fully agree with both friara and the colonel here - give it up - the landscape has changed forever; the 'old' BE is just that - the 'old'; BE and it is dead... Since the American view concedes that football as the King of College Sports - that is the measure of power - and yet many D1 football programs are not exactly raking in the $$$ - their costs are excessive. This new model of Basketball Only presents the best and ONLY hope for schools currently in this 'new' Big East; trying to compare vs. the much bigger footballer conferences by the previous standards is not possible as this truly is new - as is the future for everyone... Will it work? So far - YES...look at the recruitment levels in year one all this even before the conference even has offices established. Consider the actual marketplace and venues and the perceived geographical Big East footprint along with the investments of FOX and MSG and you have firm footing for more than a small chance for success. The footballers will most likely continue to eat their own - let them...most observers believe realignment is not over and destructive confusion will most likely be the result. Meanwhile, the schools within the Big East have a product to sell, a good measure of tradition along with the North East urban cache that (so far) has attracted serious talent - the 2014 numbers for recruitment are impressive. That is all we need to care about, to compete well, win your share and you establish your place. * But consider this: Yes, the challenges are significant yet the investment infrastructure is there to build this thing. FOX's perspective in challenging ESPN is global and their empire has vast resources that are MUCH larger than American college football. We are but a small - (albeit important, to us anyway) - part of what they have on their plate as this rolls out over the next several years...and BTW, ESPN knows that as well. DISAGREE?You may not like this, (or agree with 'globalist' Thomas Friedman's take either) and most know about China's emergence, right? But look further and consider: "54 percent of India is under the age of 25, that's 555 million people - there are more children under the age of 12 in India (2004) then there are PEOPLE in the US; there is a slum in Mumbai with over 2 million people - a slum- yet MOST have cell phones...In 2003, Infosys, the largest tech company in India, received "one million applications" from young Indians for 9,000 tech jobs" Check this out - The World is Flat |
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Post by pc1971 on Oct 21, 2013 9:05:56 GMT -5
Good points by colonel and dmac here.
Fox provides the BE with a bigger bucks than these schools have been making and more than any hoops only league and most with football [including the AAC--not the ACC, Big10,SEC and Big 12] .Fox knows how to market and put out a great product.Look at NFL and MLB as two great examples.
Recruiting has been outstanding---far surpassing what most anticipated.There are many talented young men who want to go to a basketball-centric place in/near big cities and not in a cornfield ,swamp or rural area.
BE as a power or not is a matter of semantics and definition.That is not most important to me.
Right now---the bottom line is all 10 of these schools are in a MUCH BETTER position than they were a year ago.More money. A better league.With like minded schools.With a great, well heeled and motivated partner in Fox.On paper---it should be able to get 4-to-6 of its 10 schools into the NCAAs.That is darn good [remember---even the almighty ACC only got 4 in last seasson]. I certainly would not be excited about our Friars being in a League with SMU,Houston,Tulane, UCF,etc.
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Post by wtm97 on Oct 21, 2013 9:17:48 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by dmac80 on Oct 21, 2013 10:15:54 GMT -5
All good posts this morning. I think we can agree that the ONLY play by the C7 was to make this move. I don't think it happens without Fox, but who cares, the timing could not have worked out any better. With a 12 year mega deal locked up with Fox, I think the future is very bright for the Big East, and PC in particular.
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Post by diehardfriar on Oct 21, 2013 10:55:00 GMT -5
it ain't the two dozen people posting on this board that they need to reel in....it's the people watching sportscenter who now need to change the channel to watch the BE.... Hey nobody is saying that it's not going to take some time. Obviously there is a very strong chance ratings will take a hit in the first year or two during this transition period but nobody here can predict the future. How hard is it to change a channel from ESPN to Fox? If I'm watching TV and there is an ACC match-up on ESPN and a BE game on Fox 80% chance I'm turning the channel to Fox because I'm a BE fan. I assume the majority of Big East fans will do the same. The other 20% maybe I'll watch the ACC if it's a real good game. I really think a lot of people are underestimating FOX. The old Big East was the greatest conference in the history of college basketball that evolved through a different era. There is no replicating that, that is the past. I'm still very confident that the new BE will be one of the top 3-4 leagues in the country on an annual basis. I also think MSG will be sold out every year and that TV ratings will gradually climb to a sufficient level. Fact remains that we don't know if Fox will overtake ESPN a couple years down the line. |
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Post by dmac80 on Jan 27, 2014 20:09:24 GMT -5
Happened to be watching the Duke Pitt game on Espn and at halftime they debated best conference in college bb this season. They had a big logo with the other five conferences but no Big East. No logo, no mention, now I don't think the Big East is having a great year, but they excluded them for obvious reasons. They will go out of their way to snub the Big East at all costs. The only way to get coverage will be to force them to talk about us when we win games in March. All the more reason the conference should expand sooner rather than later IMO. But they must find 2 strong programs that fit the mold.
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Post by billblairsmom on Jan 27, 2014 20:21:13 GMT -5
St Louis looking like a winner....geo wise, helps connect Creighton. Gonzaga would be an expensive home run...
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Post by thefriarman on Jan 28, 2014 6:03:30 GMT -5
Happened to be watching the Duke Pitt game on Espn and at halftime they debated best conference in college bb this season. They had a big logo with the other five conferences but no Big East. No logo, no mention, now I don't think the Big East is having a great year, but they excluded them for obvious reasons. They will go out of their way to snub the Big East at all costs. The only way to get coverage will be to force them to talk about us when we win games in March. All the more reason the conference should expand sooner rather than later IMO. But they must find 2 strong programs that fit the mold. So what were the conferences? (ACC, BIG, PACxx, SEC, and AAC/A10?) |
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Post by pc88 on Jan 28, 2014 6:14:55 GMT -5
Forgot Big12
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Post by dmac80 on Jan 28, 2014 11:37:43 GMT -5
So what were the conferences? (ACC, BIG, PACxx, SEC, and AAC/A10?) No, ACC, BIG 10, Big 12, SEC, PAC12 |
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