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Post by thewalk on Oct 19, 2013 21:18:06 GMT -5
How are those bids classified selection Sunday?...,are we doing this based on rpi? If yes, how many power conferences are there?
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Post by friara on Oct 19, 2013 21:37:16 GMT -5
Was the mountain west better than the sec last year? The PAC 12? Heck, even the ACC had a dog&$/@ year last year.
When half the league is dancing, yeah, it's a power conference. At least that is how I see it. But why do t you tell us how to become a power conference on Walkland?
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Post by thewalk on Oct 19, 2013 21:53:25 GMT -5
Good question....I'm guessing most here would have the BE ahead of the mountain west....clearly that's not the case.
I think it's tough to be considered a power conf without a legit final 4 contender plus a couple with final 8 potential...so I guess you need a top 8 program and a couple others in the second 10...,
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Post by pc1971 on Oct 19, 2013 22:09:26 GMT -5
Walk,ACC is a strong conference.But,last season do you know how many from that League made the Big Dance last season?I will save you the trouble----4.and that League had more than 10 teams in it.This BE will get between 4 to 6 out of ten.
Why would ESPN have the BE Championship game when Fox happily does?
I have been going to the BET every year for over 20 years.Generally, once Cuse and UCONN lost the crowds were greatly diminished.
Let's give this new league a chance.The recruiting side has already exceeded expectations.Fox is going to give these teams more national TV exposure than ever.They will sell out MSG from a sold tickets standpoint.How many fannies will be in the seats for each session we shall see.
PC is still in a much better place than it would have been without the move.
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Post by dex on Oct 19, 2013 22:45:37 GMT -5
Lots of good points here.
It's going to take awhile to get used to our new league. I think it was posted here that Marquette is the only pre-season top 25 team in the rankings...and I don't even know if they are worthy of that ranking. The 2014 recruiting on the other hand has been a pleasant surprise to me at this point.....a very pleasant surprise. Walk's point about not having a final 4 contender or perhaps even an elite 8 probable is noteworthy. The SEC, on the other hand, is usually not too strong but they have a couple of great teams that are in the hunt for the final 4 most years....and they get the pub which is too bad for Mississippi for example.
Over the next couple of years a bunch of acc teams and fans will likely have to get used to losing a lot more than they have done historically. As a league, they are going to be the best ever...but that won't make any difference to the perennial bottom half also-rans.
I think that more than a few BE teams are in transition to better talent so this year might be a little rough. However, if we could get 40% of our teams in The Dance that would be fantastic this year and bode well for the future.
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Post by thewalk on Oct 19, 2013 23:11:09 GMT -5
So the A10 was a power conf last year?
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Post by friara on Oct 19, 2013 23:22:08 GMT -5
There are really only 2 true power conferences. After the ACC and the B1G, the BE is lumped in with the SEC, the Big 12, the AAC, the PAC 12, and the Mountain West. Some of those secondary leagues have national contenders but they also have horrible depth in the league. One of the strengths of the new league is that there is a lot of depth for a 10 team league, the A10 might have had 5 NCAA teams out of 16 last year, but it also had 4 or 5 very, very bad teams. That won't be the case in the BE, as Depaul is really eye only truly weak team this year...at least on paper.
Regardless, if we get 5 teams out of 10, does it matter if we are a "power conference"?
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Post by dmac80 on Oct 20, 2013 10:26:50 GMT -5
When the A10 tourney was in AC and Philly it drew much more than 6K. I'd assume based on your reliance of the Holy Land website that you're a relatively new basketball fan. Huh? Because I don't keep up with the a10 tournament attendance on the regular? A fan of an a10 school posted that the attendance at barclays was <6k. Take it for what it's worth. Btw, the BEST the A10 did in AC was 6800 avg, their BEST year there. www.pressofatlanticcity.com/sports/local/college/final-buzzer-for-atlantic-city-atlantic-tournament-leaves-for-new/article_738e119d-8c73-5534-bacf-561840bcf99a.html?mode=jqmWell since it's not the 90s anymore, and Cal isn't coaching UMASS, that's kind of irrelevant to this discussion isn't it? Well aware. Thanks for the reminder though I had forgotten since all the coverage last March. Uh. Congratulations? I don't think anyone is saying it will be as exciting or well attended as it was, the league must rebuild somewhat, what I am saying is that to compare it to the current a-10 (you may not be aware that the 90s was 15 years ago) is laughable.
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Post by thewalk on Oct 20, 2013 16:35:59 GMT -5
Regardless, if we get 5 teams out of 10, does it matter if we are a "power conference"?...it does. We need tv ratings and power conf perception....the A10 has always been considered mid major....that can't happen if we expect to play in msg and keep our tv deal.
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Post by dmac80 on Oct 20, 2013 17:38:54 GMT -5
Recently Shaka Smart of VCU brought up the idea of BE vs A-10 challenge. This would be a mistake as it would lower us to mid major perception and we'd have nothing to gain, everything to lose. Most on Holy Land agree, and prefer and speculate of a possible BE vs PAC 12 challenge. We need to do everything we can to be spoken of, thought of, and matched up against the "power FBS" conferences.
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Post by diehardfriar on Oct 20, 2013 19:19:20 GMT -5
The Big East did not get L'Ville out of their "drought". Hiring Rick Pitino did. Last I checked, Marquette had a pretty decent basketball history before the BE "made" them. The hiring of Pitino coincided with the move to the Big East. The league had just as much to do with their recent success as Pitino did. Marquette is by far having their best run since the 70's. In regards to Walk's comment of me being delusional for thinking a SJU/PC semifinal match-up could match that of Cuse/Uconn in a couple years I say you're underestimating storied programs clearly on the rise. I wouldn't doubt if both teams end up in the top 25 come March. As it looks now I think skys the limit for both programs. Don't get me wrong it will be a very hard task but far from impossible IMO. We would have said the same thing about Uconn in 1988. What is the difference if both teams continue to bring in blue chippers and are ranked in the top 10 in a year or two? How is #8 ranked PC vs #5 ranked SJU not just as big of a matchup as Uconn vs Cuse with those same rankings? Of course Cuse fans packed the Garden like no other but will it matter when the place is sold out? I think we have some great young coaches that we will see carry the torch left behind by Calhoun, Boeheim, and Pitino. The hardest part will be keeping guys like Cooley and Buzz around the way Cuse and Uconn did Boeheim and Calhoun.
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Post by thewalk on Oct 20, 2013 19:35:33 GMT -5
In regards to Walk's comment of me being delusional for thinking a SJU/PC semifinal match-up could match that of Cuse/Uconn in a couple years I say you're underestimating storied programs clearly on the rise. I wouldn't doubt if both teams end up in the top 25 come March. As it looks now I think skys the limit for both programs. Don't get me wrong it will be a very hard task but far from impossible IMO. We would have said the same thing about Uconn in 1988. What is the difference if both teams continue to bring in blue chippers and are ranked in the top 10 in a year or two? How is #8 ranked PC vs #5 ranked SJU not just as big of a matchup as Uconn vs Cuse with those same rankings? Of course Cuse fans packed the Garden like no other but will it matter when the place is sold out?....does the final 4 sell out?...would you compare that atmosphere comparable to the BET?
We would have said the same thing about Uconn in 1988....I will admit to being wrong here...we put together a couple natl championship runs and take on an sju team that sits in the top 5 for about a decade ( with a couple final fours) and pc - sju will rival uconn/ Cuse Friday evening in the garden....
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Post by friara on Oct 21, 2013 6:58:43 GMT -5
When the BE originally formed, it became a powerhouse league and the tv contracts and $ followed. If it happens again, the same will follow. Is there a team that can be a national powerhouse in this group to anchor the league? That is a good question. I think it can be SJU and Gtown. I think MQ is going to be a top 20 team most years. And I think the depth behind those 3 will continue to be strong. I don't see the BE passing the B1G or the ACC but I do see a league that is powerful enough to bring in money.
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Post by diehardfriar on Oct 21, 2013 7:17:10 GMT -5
In regards to Walk's comment of me being delusional for thinking a SJU/PC semifinal match-up could match that of Cuse/Uconn in a couple years I say you're underestimating storied programs clearly on the rise. I wouldn't doubt if both teams end up in the top 25 come March. As it looks now I think skys the limit for both programs. Don't get me wrong it will be a very hard task but far from impossible IMO. We would have said the same thing about Uconn in 1988. What is the difference if both teams continue to bring in blue chippers and are ranked in the top 10 in a year or two? How is #8 ranked PC vs #5 ranked SJU not just as big of a matchup as Uconn vs Cuse with those same rankings? Of course Cuse fans packed the Garden like no other but will it matter when the place is sold out?....does the final 4 sell out?...would you compare that atmosphere comparable to the BET? We would have said the same thing about Uconn in 1988....I will admit to being wrong here...we put together a couple natl championship runs and take on an sju team that sits in the top 5 for about a decade ( with a couple final fours) and pc - sju will rival uconn/ Cuse Friday evening in the garden.... See IMO they don't have to match the past success of those teams. I'm a college basketball fan(even more a BE fan)and if two top 10-15 teams are battling it out in the BET that equals prime time hoops for me.
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Post by thewalk on Oct 21, 2013 7:50:02 GMT -5
it ain't the two dozen people posting on this board that they need to reel in....it's the people watching sportscenter who now need to change the channel to watch the BE....
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