pcdad
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Post by pcdad on Dec 5, 2013 16:46:08 GMT -5
Jeter may be a cornerstone as he most likely is a first round HOFer. You are so right about supporting players though and how they shined in big spots.
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pcdad
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Post by pcdad on Dec 5, 2013 17:29:27 GMT -5
Rock,
All focused observations by you. Jeter and Mo were both relegated tp minors after uneven performance in their first stint in '95(?). Mickey came up as a SS and was sent down and wanted to go home.
Thanks for the insight on Fisk. Hard to like the Clemens and Arods of the game. Thanks for reminding me not to tune in to sports radio too often. As I stated earlier, Reggie was excoritated by the fans for his grand salary (for the time) of $3M for 5 years ( i guess too many remembered all the players making $100K as top pay - reserved for Mickey, Willie and Al Kaline) and George didn't reup his contract. George showed him...
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Post by Rock on Dec 6, 2013 14:30:53 GMT -5
Looks like the Yankees just got themselves back one of their lost draft picks. Love to know how all that gets sorted out. (Sox get Yanks first pick for Ells or does Atlanta get it for McCann?)
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Post by dex on Dec 6, 2013 14:57:01 GMT -5
What's not to like about an affordable The Grandy Man?
Sure he was hurt last year but good ole Ells is hurt almost every year. Ells is 30 and long before this contract expires the rheumatism of old age will set in. Now that's not a huge thing for most hitters, but Ells is a .260 hitter when not beating out the dozens and dozens of infield singles he beats out. Another 1/3 of his hits are wounded ducks just over the infielder's head....and good luck with him hitting 30 HRs...I'd say closer to 15 IF healthy.
When DiceK won 18 games and lost maybe 2 for the Bosox I said that it was easily the worst 18 win pitching performance I had ever witnessed ie LUCKY. The same could be said about Ells last year.... .290 with mirrors. Sorry but I don't see Ells as a $100 million dollar upgrade over Grandy.
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Post by Rock on Dec 6, 2013 15:05:43 GMT -5
Whoops, Grandy to Mets. Looks like Yankees got back both draft picks they lost in signing McCann and Ells.
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Post by Rock on Dec 6, 2013 21:16:02 GMT -5
Mike Napoli back to Sox. Two year deal. Solid.
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Post by dex on Dec 7, 2013 13:00:50 GMT -5
Yanks ain't done spending yet...re-signed Kuroda for 16 mill which was a given.
They are likely to lose another draft pick or two with more signings of FA's...why? Bec they have nothing to trade of any consequence.
Talk of utility infielder Infante in pinstripes...could they also be thinking of Soriano in the infield?
The Yankee hopes next year rely on Tex and the Captain re-gaining their form PLUS pulling some pitching out of their butt.
The Bosox, on the other hand, have two tasks:
Re-sign Lester
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stay tuned for a big trade for a big bat
They certainly have the trade assets both in starting pitching and the minors.
Question for The Rock: Can you envision them trading the oft-MIA Buccholz?
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Post by Rock on Dec 7, 2013 13:53:29 GMT -5
More sound money would be on trading Lackey, Demster or Peavy. Either way, I could see a trade involving one of those hurlers and maybe a Middlebrooks/prospect for a stud bat. Not Trumbo or an injured guy like Kemp but a guy we aren't thinking of, not seeing on the radar right now. Headly, Zimmerman? I dunno, Belte? Someone. I just hope whatever they do they take a breath, let the market exhale a bit and utilize the WS capital they have. I fear two things: giving Lackey away and thinking JBJ is ready to play everyday.
Yanks seem to be running in place a bit to me: Add Ells, Beltre, McCann, lose draft picks, Grandy and Cano while not strengthening that troubled, aging pitching staff.
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Post by dex on Dec 7, 2013 15:11:19 GMT -5
Trading Dempster and/or Peavey is fine with me even if you pick up some salary and give up a good prospect for a big bat...preferably young.
I will be surprised if Ben doesn't do it. At some point the focus shifts from protecting Papi in the order to replacing Papi on the team. Father Time eventually catches up to all of us.
All my blather on divesting of starting pitching depends upon extending Lester and I would also extend the bionic Lackey too.
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Post by diehardfriar on Dec 9, 2013 21:33:56 GMT -5
Of course Red Sox fans won't complain about Ellsbury NOW......but come talk to me after a 4 game series in May when he goes 7-13(3BB) with 5RBI, 4RS and 4SB and NY take a 2-3 game lead in the East. That is when(and only when) you will hear the TRUE opinions/thoughts regarding Ellsbury not being resigned......especially when Bradley is hitting all of .240...
It's always much easier to like your teams conservative ways in December than it is in the summer.
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Post by dex on Dec 10, 2013 11:30:52 GMT -5
Rock: "Yanks seem to be running in place a bit to me: Add Ells, Beltre, McCann, lose draft picks, Grandy and Cano while not strengthening that troubled, aging pitching staff. "
Sounds like they are at the ready should Tanaka become available
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Post by Rock on Dec 10, 2013 13:16:34 GMT -5
Of course Red Sox fans won't complain about Ellsbury NOW......but come talk to me after a 4 game series in May when he goes 7-13(3BB) with 5RBI, 4RS and 4SB and NY take a 2-3 game lead in the East. That is when(and only when) you will hear the TRUE opinions/thoughts regarding Ellsbury not being resigned......especially when Bradley is hitting all of .240... It's always much easier to like your teams conservative ways in December than it is in the summer. I don't even understand the point you are trying to make here. Is it that we Red Sox fans will find ourselves surprised and disappointed when Ells has a hot weekend series? Like we didn't see him do that here for seven years? That we thought NY would pay a guy $20 MM a year if he weren't capable of such a series? That Sox fans didn't think we are better with Ells instead of without him? Nothing like creating straw-man arguments, huh? I speak to Red Sox fans all the time and this much we all know and state strongly: 1. We liked Ells, a lot 2. Boras never keeps his prime FA players with their original team once they hit their walk-year 3. The Sox tried to preempt the walk-year situation by offering a contract two years ago and again one year ago but because of the injuries never had a real chance of keeping Boras from exploiting Ells free agent opportunity 4. The Yankees will have an excellent player in Ells for three, maybe four years. They won't have one after that and they also won't have the draft pick who would - ideally - be elevating into an everyday MLB player at that time 5. The Sox "conservative" approach won them a WS. You know the offseason is still going on, right? That there are still loads of available players, right? That even as the Sox sit now they have the collateral to make needed acquistions between now and July 31st right? I love a Yankee fan who pounds his chest and lectures Sox fans about "now" without looking outside and seeing snow on the ground and realizing the real "now" happens in six months. Congrats on your December WS title. |
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Post by dex on Dec 10, 2013 13:48:00 GMT -5
Ho Hum
Ortiz again voted unanimous winner of Edgar Martinez Outstanding DH Award. It's the 7th time he's won the award, most of anyone.
macadm
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Post by diehardfriar on Dec 10, 2013 13:54:12 GMT -5
Of course Red Sox fans won't complain about Ellsbury NOW......but come talk to me after a 4 game series in May when he goes 7-13(3BB) with 5RBI, 4RS and 4SB and NY take a 2-3 game lead in the East. That is when(and only when) you will hear the TRUE opinions/thoughts regarding Ellsbury not being resigned......especially when Bradley is hitting all of .240... It's always much easier to like your teams conservative ways in December than it is in the summer. I don't even understand the point you are trying to make here. Is it that we Red Sox fans will find ourselves surprised and disappointed when Ells has a hot weekend series? Like we didn't see him do that here for seven years? That we thought NY would pay a guy $20 MM a year if he weren't capable of such a series? That Sox fans didn't think we are better with Ells instead of without him? Nothing like creating straw-man arguments, huh? I speak to Red Sox fans all the time and this much we all know and state strongly: 1. We liked Ells, a lot 2. Boras never keeps his prime FA players with their original team once they hit their walk-year 3. The Sox tried to preempt the walk-year situation by offering a contract two years ago and again one year ago but because of the injuries never had a real chance of keeping Boras from exploiting Ells free agent opportunity 4. The Yankees will have an excellent player in Ells for three, maybe four years. They won't have one after that and they also won't have the draft pick who would - ideally - be elevating into an everyday MLB player at that time 5. The Sox "conservative" approach won them a WS. You know the offseason is still going on, right? That there are still loads of available players, right? That even as the Sox sit now they have the collateral to make needed acquistions between now and July 31st right? I love a Yankee fan who pounds his chest and lectures Sox fans about "now" without looking outside and seeing snow on the ground and realizing the real "now" happens in six months. Congrats on your December WS title. No you and every other Red Sox fan will be crying during the season with each game Ellsbury helps NY tack onto their division lead. (assuming this coincides with Bradley hitting .240/1HR/7RBI which will most likely be the case).....now I'm not saying everyone will be saying "hey should have overpaid for Ellsbury and gave him the 150 but you can bet your azz the tone will be a LOT DIFFERENT than it is right now) |
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Post by dex on Dec 10, 2013 18:12:56 GMT -5
Hey Rock, who do you think will be Executive Of The Year in the AL?
I am going out on a limb and say Ben Cherington
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