Cteve
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Post by Cteve on Jun 22, 2019 14:57:53 GMT -5
twitter.com/frankthetank111?lang=en The very prolific "Frank the Tank" has checked in after a long absence (like RV Winkle). frankthetank.me/ I still believe that the Power5 will never allow the refurbished BE to be a focus in high major Bb --revolving around MSG--without trying to scuttle the league again. It might take a few years but I do think they will try something?
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Post by pcbb7777 on Jun 22, 2019 15:21:16 GMT -5
Per Kfar:Bad for PC, very likely good for the Big East, great for UConn. No other program in the league stands to lose more than Providence. What happened to “like-minded” schools? (None of this rant is, obviously, directed at you, dex.) How is this bad for PC? This should be fantastic for PC. Two more high-profile games, guaranteed sell outs, and a natural rival. I'm sure the answer is something like "recruiting" because UConn is local, but regional recruiting is way overblown nowadays. Ever since the prep schools became more popular, recruiting your "area" became a moot point. Kids leave and get new experiences elsewhere, becoming increasingly willing to go away from home for school. This is especially so in New England where literally every team is recruiting now due to the multitude of great prep school basketball in the area. Kids from all over the country play in our backyard and, likewise, they're willing to go anywhere in the country to play college ball. In the American, UConn already beat us out for targets we both went for (Akok and Bouknight last year), but we've beaten them head-to-head for guys (Dunn) when we were both in the BE. We've also gone head-to-head with national powers like Villanova, Florida, Louisville, Virginia, Texas, Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech in recent years to win recruiting battles. I'm sure we'll lose guys to UConn, but I'm also sure we'll get guys they want. With UConn on board, recruiting outside of New England should only make the pitch to come to Providence even more enticing. Kids love playing big name schools and UConn fits that bill. With Battle on board, we've been moving out of New England anyways with an emphasis on the south. The other day, Mac posted a list of 8 kids who a recruiting expert cited as us having a good chance to get. 1 plays in New England, but is from New York. There were four other regional-plus kids (PA, 2 NJ, and 1 NYC), while the rest were from the DMV and Carolinas. Adding UConn to Villanova and Georgetown gives us 6 games a year guaranteed against a team with a national brand and this makes us an easier sell to kids who are not from New England (and likely unfamiliar with Providence outside of those games and personal interactions with Cooley). To me, takes like "bad for PC" hit on the classic inferiority complex within this fan base. We just assume UConn coming home will screw this bit of success we've had while overlooking every other improvement (Ruane, Cooley, culture of winning, administration support) that has occurred since we last shared a league with them. We are not a little brother who will just get whipped by them whenever Hurley and Cooley target the same high school kid or when we play them. Nor is UConn going to be able to tap into a level of recruit they couldn't before through this move. Their class last year was already excellent. Whatever hurdle the American put in front of them getting recruits clearly did not impact them in landing top talent. Even Ollie landed premier classes, he just wasted them all. And yet, Providence has had their best stretch in years despite losing recruits to UConn and having to go head-to-head with them on the trail. We'll be more than fine and, as long as Cooley stays, that will be the case moving forward. He has raised the profile and expectations here to the point that we don't have to shake in our boots that UConn is playing down the road. We can hold our own now and adding them back to the league should only make his job easier.
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Post by dex on Jun 22, 2019 15:50:24 GMT -5
Understood Wild 7’s
I might just add that we were close to a home and home deal so it’s will be one less game with them than would have been the case.
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Post by rooster on Jun 22, 2019 16:19:14 GMT -5
Hope they include a very large buyout clause for UConn, if they get a wandering eye again. School is not to be totally trusted....
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Post by dex on Jun 22, 2019 16:40:33 GMT -5
Per Rooke
Possible motivation for @uconnhuskies? “We are disappointed that there will be a reduction in linear TV exposure for our men’s and women’s basketball programs, including but not limited to the potential loss of our successful partnership with SNY,” AD David Benedict on #AAC TV.
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Post by venerablefriar on Jun 22, 2019 18:21:59 GMT -5
It’s all about the pesos. Basketball supports every other sport at all the BE schools. The Fox renewal is on the horizon and given the state of the networks we’re not going to get the deal next time that we got last time. Don’t get me going on our turndown of the ESPN deal! MSG needs those obnoxious huskies.
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Post by Cteve on Jun 22, 2019 20:50:37 GMT -5
I would tell the presidents don't panic, do what you want to do, other schools are available to join if you need an 11th in the near-term. You will be taking less money, adding more expense, basically taking a U' that hates your guts on a personal level and doesn't fit the league profile. Unless VA makes a great case, pass.
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Post by thumper on Jun 23, 2019 2:13:40 GMT -5
Per Kfar:Bad for PC, very likely good for the Big East, great for UConn. No other program in the league stands to lose more than Providence. What happened to “like-minded” schools? (None of this rant is, obviously, directed at you, dex.) How is this bad for PC? This should be fantastic for PC. Two more high-profile games, guaranteed sell outs, and a natural rival. I'm sure the answer is something like "recruiting" because UConn is local, but regional recruiting is way overblown nowadays. Ever since the prep schools became more popular, recruiting your "area" became a moot point. Kids leave and get new experiences elsewhere, becoming increasingly willing to go away from home for school. This is especially so in New England where literally every team is recruiting now due to the multitude of great prep school basketball in the area. Kids from all over the country play in our backyard and, likewise, they're willing to go anywhere in the country to play college ball. In the American, UConn already beat us out for targets we both went for (Akok and Bouknight last year), but we've beaten them head-to-head for guys (Dunn) when we were both in the BE. We've also gone head-to-head with national powers like Villanova, Florida, Louisville, Virginia, Texas, Oklahoma State, and Virginia Tech in recent years to win recruiting battles. I'm sure we'll lose guys to UConn, but I'm also sure we'll get guys they want. With UConn on board, recruiting outside of New England should only make the pitch to come to Providence even more enticing. Kids love playing big name schools and UConn fits that bill. With Battle on board, we've been moving out of New England anyways with an emphasis on the south. The other day, Mac posted a list of 8 kids who a recruiting expert cited as us having a good chance to get. 1 plays in New England, but is from New York. There were four other regional-plus kids (PA, 2 NJ, and 1 NYC), while the rest were from the DMV and Carolinas. Adding UConn to Villanova and Georgetown gives us 6 games a year guaranteed against a team with a national brand and this makes us an easier sell to kids who are not from New England (and likely unfamiliar with Providence outside of those games and personal interactions with Cooley). To me, takes like "bad for PC" hit on the classic inferiority complex within this fan base. We just assume UConn coming home will screw this bit of success we've had while overlooking every other improvement (Ruane, Cooley, culture of winning, administration support) that has occurred since we last shared a league with them. We are not a little brother who will just get whipped by them whenever Hurley and Cooley target the same high school kid or when we play them. Nor is UConn going to be able to tap into a level of recruit they couldn't before through this move. Their class last year was already excellent. Whatever hurdle the American put in front of them getting recruits clearly did not impact them in landing top talent. Even Ollie landed premier classes, he just wasted them all. And yet, Providence has had their best stretch in years despite losing recruits to UConn and having to go head-to-head with them on the trail. We'll be more than fine and, as long as Cooley stays, that will be the case moving forward. He has raised the profile and expectations here to the point that we don't have to shake in our boots that UConn is playing down the road. We can hold our own now and adding them back to the league should only make his job easier. dex and many others on this board, including myself, have long held the feelings of "F UCant". History matters. It's something that newbies, perhaps, are unfamiliar with. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by TheInfoMan on Jun 23, 2019 7:45:34 GMT -5
Yes 7777, this is my 1st area of disagreement with you. I have painful memories of being heckled and taunted by their fans in games played in our own arena. No other team or fans just them and theirs.
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Post by connfriar on Jun 23, 2019 7:49:54 GMT -5
This move has Mike Tranghese's fingerprints all over it, in my opinion...he consults for UConn, Providence et. al.
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Post by vtfriar on Jun 23, 2019 8:24:59 GMT -5
There's some great info and insight on the Boneyard. I always take individual's opinions and insights with a big grain of salt. However, the seems to be some interesting and likely quite plausible information provided.
In summary, those postings conclude we all know this is all about dollars and TV contracts etc. The theories/drivers posted are: the analysis appears to show that the New Big East has significantly outperformed and overdelivered value of the current TV contract. To boot, the league has additionally won two national championships. The Fox contract runs through 2026. The ONLY way the contract can be reopened is if there is a membership change. By adding UConn, it not only triggers the renegotiation, but adds another marquee brand (and recent national championship winner). The belief is that that will create significant contract competition, be even more marketable and add much more $$ to each of the NBE member's pockets. In a nutshell, it's great for UConn, it's great for the NBE members ($$$, rivalries, MSG championship etc), and preserves a 10 team round Robin and annualhome/home series. 11 teams is far more preferable than 12 teams, which creates complications.
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Post by dex on Jun 23, 2019 8:32:49 GMT -5
Conn I would be surprised if Mike has not been consulted. I also suspect Fr Shanley is ok with admitting a non “like minded” school.
As for buyouts, the next time one is paid in full will be the first time. They are either negotiated down or litigated down.
When TV $$ says Jump, conferences say how High.
The thought of their largely scumbag fans invading the Dunk ruminates in many of our minds and can only be slightly mitigated by knowing the Cuse fans wont be coming also.
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Post by vtfriar on Jun 23, 2019 8:39:29 GMT -5
And, just to add some interesting color, another intriguing takeaway was this: The Big Ten pays out $38 million annually to its members. That means any "new" member needs to add at least $38 million in value. Years ago, the market analysis showed that there was no way UConn would ever do that in the Big Ten. So, there was no way they'd ever get an invite. But, the analysis showed Rutgers would easily add that much value if not more. The understanding was that their athletic teams sucked, but the "adding market value" was easily there, and it was a no-brainer to invite them. Using that same theory, if in the next TV contract, each NBE is able to receive $7M to $10M (or more), then any additional or new member would need to bring at least that much value to the league. Or it's not worth it. Does Dayton? Additionally, There is there desire to stay at the manageable 11 teams versus 12. Hence, Gonzaga likely isn't coming aboard anytime soon. There's some great info and insight on the Boneyard. I always take individual's opinions and insights with a big grain of salt. However, the seems to be some interesting and likely quite plausible information provided. In summary, those postings conclude we all know this is all about dollars and TV contracts etc. The theories/drivers posted are: the analysis appears to show that the New Big East has significantly outperformed and overdelivered value of the current TV contract. To boot, the league has additionally won two national championships. The Fox contract runs through 2026. The ONLY way the contract can be reopened is if there is a membership change. By adding UConn, it not only triggers the renegotiation, but adds another marquee brand (and recent national championship winner). The belief is that that will create significant contract competition, be even more marketable and add much more $$ to each of the NBE member's pockets. In a nutshell, it's great for UConn, it's great for the NBE members ($$$, rivalries, MSG championship etc), and preserves a 10 team round Robin and annualhome/home series. 11 teams is far more preferable than 12 teams, which creates complications.
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Post by Rock on Jun 23, 2019 8:51:32 GMT -5
I strongly advocated that UConn be retained when the NBE began so I appear to now be getting what I once asked for, yet, why do I feel so crappy about it now? One consideration: it seems like last years BE performance was a shocking wake-up call. Match that with the appeal of re-opening the TV deal before we see two or, gulp, three years of declining performance in the league and you begin to understand why the BE would want to do this NOW. As for how it impacts PC? Whatever makes the league strong (but not too strong) helps the Friars. I don't think the one-on-one impact felt between the two schools makes all that big a difference, frankly. The league needs to remain strong enough to land five annual bids. At the current ten teams (with the projection of declining performance) that number seems closer to three so maybe UConn (now that Hurley is there) helps move the power needle back to five, occupying one of those spots themselves of course. Maybe this explains it. Maybe: Future w/o Uconn: three of ten teams Dance Future with Uconn: five of 11 teams Dance. Either way, matched with new contract in hand, the fire has been turned up on Ed Cooley and staff.
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Post by friar71 on Jun 23, 2019 9:14:04 GMT -5
Yes 7777, this is my 1st area of disagreement with you. I have painful memories of being heckled and taunted by their fans in games played in our own arena. No other team or fans just them and theirs. Info: It must have been where you sat. I had season ticks for 20+ years in the 230's and I always felt the Cuse fans who always ended up in the last few rows of 230 because of it's location to their bench were just as bad. They showed up w several busloads all regaled in their orange/blue shirts and suspenders. Halftime in the men's room was always an adventure especially if you had kids w you. Ironically, when I moved to Florida for the winters, my neighbor was a former Cuse season ticket holder. He always invited us to the Cuse/USF game as their guests ( his daughter worked for USF) so we sat among a large contingent of CUSE fans there all dressed in orange. I like the move. It gives us a natural rival in the BE which we don't have presently.
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