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Post by thewalk on Apr 30, 2016 7:51:35 GMT -5
...the only thing I'd add is his outside shooting. He looks very comfortable shooting the college 3 but needs to improve his percentage. I could see him coming back to improve that aspect but still not sure how much it will help him in the end.
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Post by TheInfoMan on Apr 30, 2016 7:55:15 GMT -5
There is a big difference between Dunn and Bentil because Dunn had every physical attribute the NBA values but needed to improve on certain fundamentals. Bentil is an extremely polished offensive player. But he may not have the physical attributes the NBA wants. If his length and height is an issue, it's going to be hard for him to stay and move up in the draft. He won't be longer or taller in a year. Can he improve certain things to improve his stock? My guess is that a good scout is telling him he needs to improve lateral quickness, passing from the post, handling the ball, etc. But I'm not sure that those are the issues that make him not a sure fire first rounder. So, if they don't make a big difference and Ben is not sure anything will make him improve his stock for next year, he might just say "might as well do it now".... This has been my position all along, although friara states it way better than I ever could by using Dunn as a comparison. Instead, (in another thread) I argued that returning to PC would not help him polish his skills as a small forward since the current makeup of the Friar roster demands he plays the 4 or the 5. Therefore, as friara says if "Ben is not sure anything will make him improve his stock for next year, he might just say 'might as well do it now'..".
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Post by friara on Apr 30, 2016 8:58:56 GMT -5
Info, NBA scouts aren't going to care what position he is playing at PC or who he is guarding. They'll only care about metrics. How quick is he moving laterally. How quick is getting off the floor for rebounds. If he is guarding a 5, he'll still show the traits that either separate him in their eyes or don't. So I don't worry about that.
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Post by TheInfoMan on Apr 30, 2016 9:22:11 GMT -5
Info, NBA scouts aren't going to care what position he is playing at PC or who he is guarding. They'll only care about metrics. How quick is he moving laterally. How quick is getting off the floor for rebounds. If he is guarding a 5, he'll still show the traits that either separate him in their eyes or don't. So I don't worry about that. Is it agreed that he likely (due to size) projects as a three in the NBA? Is so, does guarding a 5 in college demonstrate the traits of guarding a 3 in the NBA? Secondly, please build me a case for his return to PC and how that benefits his career objective, the NBA. You make great sense, but have not tackled that position head-on and I'd like to hear what you say.
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Post by friara on Apr 30, 2016 15:39:29 GMT -5
Info, being able to guard JP Macura or some other college 3 that has zero chance of being in the NBA is not going to put Bentil higher on the scouts minds. Beating out an infield hit doesn't mean you have speed. It's all about stop watches and other quantifiable measurements. So who he guards next year won't matter. Showing increased speed and a better handle and a quicker accuracy in passing out of the post will help...but if his physical measurements aren't great now, they aren't going to change in a year
He's kind of like Ledo in that he doesn't have the prototype body for his position. He's not long or explosive. Extreme efficiency doesn't necessarily get you a job at the NBA...so I am in the minority in that I don't think he'll ever make it....I remember Gomes being unguardable....against better competition, too....and in the end, he just didn't have the athleticsm to do what is needed for NBA longevity. I see Bentil in that same light. Whether or not he returns is simply a decision based on risk. But because the downside of not making the NBA is solid 6 figures overseas, it's a more mitigated risk.
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Post by connfriar on Apr 30, 2016 16:43:31 GMT -5
Carameltwizzler @carameltwizzler 7m7 minutes ago Ben bentil has been invited to the 2016 NBA combine! #benbentil #2016combine #onestepcloser #dreamcatching #friarsbb
From a pretty good source...
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Post by pc88 on Apr 30, 2016 22:13:22 GMT -5
Info, being able to guard JP Macura or some other college 3 that has zero chance of being in the NBA is not going to put Bentil higher on the scouts minds. Beating out an infield hit doesn't mean you have speed. It's all about stop watches and other quantifiable measurements. So who he guards next year won't matter. Showing increased speed and a better handle and a quicker accuracy in passing out of the post will help...but if his physical measurements aren't great now, they aren't going to change in a year He's kind of like Ledo in that he doesn't have the prototype body for his position. He's not long or explosive. Extreme efficiency doesn't necessarily get you a job at the NBA...so I am in the minority in that I don't think he'll ever make it....I remember Gomes being unguardable....against better competition, too....and in the end, he just didn't have the athleticsm to do what is needed for NBA longevity. I see Bentil in that same light. Whether or not he returns is simply a decision based on risk. But because the downside of not making the NBA is solid 6 figures overseas, it's a more mitigated risk. Bentil will take Ryan's $22 mil if that's the offer
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Post by dex on May 4, 2016 17:23:00 GMT -5
Kevin McNamara (@kevinmcnamara33)
Ben Bentil worked out for @pelicansnba last Sunday, looking forward to @nba Combine
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Post by thumper on May 4, 2016 20:23:39 GMT -5
Info, being able to guard JP Macura or some other college 3 that has zero chance of being in the NBA is not going to put Bentil higher on the scouts minds. Beating out an infield hit doesn't mean you have speed. It's all about stop watches and other quantifiable measurements. So who he guards next year won't matter. Showing increased speed and a better handle and a quicker accuracy in passing out of the post will help...but if his physical measurements aren't great now, they aren't going to change in a year He's kind of like Ledo in that he doesn't have the prototype body for his position. He's not long or explosive. Extreme efficiency doesn't necessarily get you a job at the NBA...so I am in the minority in that I don't think he'll ever make it....I remember Gomes being unguardable....against better competition, too....and in the end, he just didn't have the athleticsm to do what is needed for NBA longevity. I see Bentil in that same light. Whether or not he returns is simply a decision based on risk. But because the downside of not making the NBA is solid 6 figures overseas, it's a more mitigated risk. Bentil will take Ryan's $22 mil if that's the offer Ryan had 6 1/2 years in the NBA (482 games played, 371 games started). For being picked 50th, he did pretty well. Is that $22 mil his career NBA earnings? Could be close! But Ryan was the exception. Think Bentil stays if, as I've seen in the mocks, he goes 2nd round. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by drairf on May 4, 2016 21:27:41 GMT -5
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Post by friara on May 5, 2016 4:27:55 GMT -5
I didn't word that the right way. I meant to say that I thought Gomes was in a different class than Bentil and that he ended up as a fringe NBA player.
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Post by jackwhite on May 5, 2016 9:00:35 GMT -5
That's a lot of coin. Any idea of Gomes' relationship with the school and/or Cooley? Wonder if he donates or makes it back for anything.
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Post by flyerlax06 on May 5, 2016 9:17:50 GMT -5
Gomes has been to some PC events recently and has attended some games at the Dunk.
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Post by dex on May 5, 2016 9:22:12 GMT -5
He was inducted in the PC HOF this year
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Post by TheInfoMan on May 5, 2016 9:32:37 GMT -5
Adam Zagoria @adamzagoria 33m33 minutes ago Manhattan, NY Guys who've withdrawn from the NBA Draft so far: Kennedy Meeks, Kris Jenkins, V.J. Beachem. Combine next week, w/drawal deadline 5/25.
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