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Post by flyerlax06 on Apr 29, 2016 8:20:42 GMT -5
You may be correct but thank goodness he saw the ink Dunn got by coming back. Now, Dunn hinted that last season was challenging but I think that partially due to defenses focusing on him due to our lousy shooting and thin roster. If Ben comes back, he will return to a deeper roster with more weapons. He will also return to a conference with the reigning National Champion, a national television network in expansion mode and a revitalized coaching staff. Throw in another year of an education and development as a player and he has plenty of reasons to return. But, still...I hear you. As challenging as Dunn's year may have been, he stands to make quite a bit more money this year in the NBA Draft than he likely would have made in last year's NBA Draft.
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Post by pc1971 on Apr 29, 2016 9:26:25 GMT -5
You may be correct but thank goodness he saw the ink Dunn got by coming back. Now, Dunn hinted that last season was challenging but I think that partially due to defenses focusing on him due to our lousy shooting and thin roster. If Ben comes back, he will return to a deeper roster with more weapons. He will also return to a conference with the reigning National Champion, a national television network in expansion mode and a revitalized coaching staff. Throw in another year of an education and development as a player and he has plenty of reasons to return. But, still...I hear you. As challenging as Dunn's year may have been, he stands to make quite a bit more money this year in the NBA Draft than he likely would have made in last year's NBA Draft. And besides the more money now, another big reason Kris decided to stay at PC and get his degree and improve his game was that he did not only want to "make" the NBA.He wanted to truly be a contributing player in the NBA and maximize his chances for a successful career.Smart young man. Will Ben see things the same way?We shall see.
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Post by Rock on Apr 29, 2016 9:43:08 GMT -5
I think Ben and Kris's situations are radically different. I don't really think about one in the same sentence as the other.
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Post by thewalk on Apr 29, 2016 10:01:29 GMT -5
As challenging as Dunn's year may have been, he stands to make quite a bit more money this year in the NBA Draft than he likely would have made in last year's NBA Draft,,,first contract yes. I think we can comfortably say there was a 10 spot difference between him going last year vs this year. Most had him between 11 - 20. A 10 spot difference equates to about a $5M spread over 3 years using pick 5 vs 15 in contract 1, but you've lost a year at the back end in where you should be making a lot more.
Whatever the reason (sick, hurt. whatever), Dunn's body language was subpar for much of the year. Add his comments about being frustrated and who knows if he'd do it the same way again. Bentil appears to enjoy himself more than Dunn imo which could have to do with lower expectations. There situations are almost the exact opposite. Dunn has all the measurables that scream top 10 pick regardless of production (the exact reason people complain about cotton getting no nba love). Bentil's nba draft stock is production based. The comments about him coming back to a loaded roster may not be accurate. You can only play 5 and the one being replaced got bentil a ton of shots due to Cooley changing the offense.
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Post by friarj on Apr 29, 2016 10:12:01 GMT -5
As challenging as Dunn's year may have been, he stands to make quite a bit more money this year in the NBA Draft than he likely would have made in last year's NBA Draft,,,first contract yes. I think we can comfortably say there was a 10 spot difference between him going last year vs this year. Most had him between 11 - 20. A 10 spot difference equates to about a $5M spread over 3 years using pick 5 vs 15 in contract 1, but you've lost a year at the back end in where you should be making a lot more. Whatever the reason (sick, hurt. whatever), Dunn's body language was subpar for much of the year. Add his comments about being frustrated and who knows if he'd do it the same way again. Bentil appears to enjoy himself more than Dunn imo which could have to do with lower expectations. There situations are almost the exact opposite. Dunn has all the measurables that scream top 10 pick regardless of production (the exact reason people complain about cotton getting no nba love). Bentil's nba draft stock is production based. The comments about him coming back to a loaded roster may not be accurate. You can only play 5 and the one being replaced got bentil a ton of shots due to Cooley changing the offense. I agree, I think that Cooley would absolutely love to add Young to next years squad. I honestly believe that there would be a better chance of Ben coming back if this happens.
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Post by Rock on Apr 29, 2016 10:24:26 GMT -5
I don't think Ben not playing with Kris, Ed landing a talented 5, the crop of incoming chicks at PC or any other such internal consideration holds much weight. This is what it should come down to and what I think it will come down to:
Projection Should Will Top-25 Go Go 26-30 Stay Go 31-38 Stay Go 39-60 Stay Stay
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Post by friarj on Apr 29, 2016 10:28:42 GMT -5
I don't think Ben not playing with Kris, Ed landing a talented 5, the crop of incoming chicks at PC or any other such internal consideration holds much weight. This is what it should come down to and what I think it will come down to: Projection Should WillTop-25 Go Go 26-30 Stay Go 31-38 Stay Go 39-60 Stay Stay You are probably right but man if he is outside the top 30 I choose to believe (naively I'm sure) that he is coming back
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Post by Rock on Apr 29, 2016 10:45:53 GMT -5
I think if he's barely outside the 1st round he'll listen to his heart and not his head and convince himself that the Warriors or Spurs or some other late playoff team will take him; or he could rationalize that as an early 2nd round pick he ends up on a team he can easily make. A real danger zone for PC because those early 2nd round teams take a lot of Bentil-type SF or PF's and they often stick.
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Post by petert on Apr 29, 2016 10:53:04 GMT -5
Slipping into the 2nd round is dangerous territory....plenty of college stars in that round with most headed to the D League and then have the fortune of looking at anther college and international class headed into the NBA the next year...with the 1st rounders obtaining guaranteed $.
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Post by Rock on Apr 29, 2016 12:20:08 GMT -5
Slipping into the 2nd round is dangerous territory....plenty of college stars in that round with most headed to the D League and then have the fortune of looking at anther college and international class headed into the NBA the next year...with the 1st rounders obtaining guaranteed $. Agreed. But Bentil might decide, instead, to look at Jae Crowder and Draymond Green and see himself one year closer to being a FA as a late 1st, early 2nd guy. You and I wouldn't think like that Peter but these guys have loads of confidence in themselves and also might be sick and tried of being broke.
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Post by Cteve on Apr 29, 2016 12:56:36 GMT -5
As good as he is, he never gave up the ball and was given a license to shoot (from anywhere). Ironically that's what pushed him into the first round. It wasn't his physical attributes. He's a good player who was allowed to do anything he wanted (thanks Ed).
How much the NBA will take this into consideration IDK? That photo of Kris and Bentil was really surprising. I don't think he's 6'8 and while he has great mobility for a high post guy I'm not sure how well he moves, relative to NBA wing prospects. Which is where his height would force him to play.
Yes I think he's gone. If it's one year to soon that's our problem but it's not his.
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Post by dmac80 on Apr 29, 2016 13:35:52 GMT -5
Slipping into the 2nd round is dangerous territory....plenty of college stars in that round with most headed to the D League and then have the fortune of looking at anther college and international class headed into the NBA the next year...with the 1st rounders obtaining guaranteed $. It's too bad they don't have an option to go back to school if taken in 2nd round and team wants a year of development. D league or school for a year...would be kinda like baseball or hockey no? I don't follow drafting very closely but I wish that were the case. Then after a year the team could waive him or have to sign him for guaranteed money or something..
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Post by friar71 on Apr 29, 2016 14:04:08 GMT -5
I don't think Ben not playing with Kris, Ed landing a talented 5, the crop of incoming chicks at PC or any other such internal consideration holds much weight. This is what it should come down to and what I think it will come down to: Projection Should WillTop-25 Go Go 26-30 Stay Go 31-38 Stay Go 39-60 Stay Stay I agree that most of these kids make the decision strictly based on their own situation. Bentil will most likely have a mindset that he can score in college reagrdless of who is playing alongside him. I don't think we will know much until the actual camps begin. Almost every mock coming out lately does not have him going in the first round. Even the CBS mock done by Parrish that had him at 25 a few weeks ago have dropped him out of 1st round. A few other thoughts on it: 1. One difference. Supposedly, Kris came back to get a degree besides improving his draft position. The degree may not mean much financially since he will probably sign a 4yr/$15 mil type contract. But Ben returning would not get him a degree. 2. Celtics have a top 5 pick and one in the teens and twenties. Let's hope after the last week, Ainge doesn't think their scoring woes will be helped w pairing Kris Junior and Ben in the draft. 3. The NBA people could tell Ben to go back to school so he can improve his draft stock. But in doing so, if they tell him to add a few inches, that may be a problem for the staff. 4. If I was Ed, I would save a spot for him..................
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Post by oaklawnbob on Apr 30, 2016 4:03:48 GMT -5
He'll have a spot no matter what-someone gets pushed out. Most mock drafts that I have see have Ben going @ 50.
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Post by friara on Apr 30, 2016 5:13:32 GMT -5
There is a big difference between Dunn and Bentil because Dunn had every physical attribute the NBA values but needed to improve on certain fundamentals. Bentil is an extremely polished offensive player. But he may not have the physical attributes the NBA wants. If his length and height is an issue, it's going to be hard for him to stay and move up in the draft. He won't be longer or taller in a year. Can he improve certain things to improve his stock? My guess is that a good scout is telling him he needs to improve lateral quickness, passing from the post, handling the ball, etc. But I'm not sure that those are the issues that make him not a sure fire first rounder. So, if they don't make a big difference and Ben is not sure anything will make him improve his stock for next year, he might just say "might as well do it now"....
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