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Post by thewalk on May 20, 2015 8:13:31 GMT -5
Patience is the kid going to Syracuse and riding pine for two years....these kids are getting major minutes.
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Post by TheInfoMan on May 20, 2015 8:45:43 GMT -5
Patience is the kid going to Syracuse and riding pine for two years....these kids are getting major minutes. ...and then seeing some 5-star kid get recruited over you. I think Cooley went out of his way to accommodate the boo-hoo kid by not recruiting any centers that might possibly threaten him. Cooley goes around wearing kit gloves, only to have a seven-foot baby hit him with a 2x4.
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Post by wtm97 on May 20, 2015 8:50:21 GMT -5
I agree rock - solid piece by Donaldson. Liked that he broadened the scope beyond basketball and beyond PC - nice perpsective; showed some homework on his part as well.
What you propose is interesting and really makes sense - probably why it won't ever happen!
Don't think Cooley being shocked is such a surprise - he is telling the truth and this one did come out of left field. This apparently blindsided entire staff and probably Chukwu's teammates as well, just thinking he sure kept this close to the vest. We can beat this kid up for the timing but he probably had no clue about that - meaning it wasn't purposeful to screw us; look maybe this kid was throwing up every morning yet afraid to express that to others including everyone, (family, team, coaches), who all had these expectations of success at PC.
It happens.
Saw some of this with some co-workers over the years so...
Meanwhile we have real issues in terms of trying to plug this BIG gap with slim pickings and little time. Hearing the probability of Owens ever becoming a Friar may be quite iffy - even beyond the injury factor...and Ed has a very busy schedule lined up so the staff is going to have to hustle here and work overtime.
This is a nasty hit but again all we can do is pick ourselves up, dust it off and move forward. No need to say "screw him" as that is counter-productive and pretty obvious even that expression by some is understandable - right now energy needs to be focused on finding an available and serviceable player eligible for next season.
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Post by thewalk on May 20, 2015 8:54:01 GMT -5
...and then seeing some 5-star kid get recruited over you....not necessarily....jimbo usually found a way to work kids in who stuck it out with him....
as for recruiting over pascal...he may be the highest ranked center that we ever recruited since barnes....I don't think recruiting over him was possible for us...
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Post by TheInfoMan on May 20, 2015 9:03:04 GMT -5
...and then seeing some 5-star kid get recruited over you....not necessarily....jimbo usually found a way to work kids in who stuck it out with him.... as for recruiting over pascal...he may be the highest ranked center that we ever recruited since barnes....I don't think recruiting over him was possible for us... I was speaking generically about elite CBB where recruiting over is common and may happen to mr. boo-hoo at his next stop. Kinda hope so in fact. My point is that Cooley omitted recruiting centers at all (not recruiting over). Cooley had CD ahead of him, set to pass the baton with no one else in line to receive it my claim is that our coach did that by design to make the kid feel loved and comfortable.
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Post by charl on May 20, 2015 9:24:58 GMT -5
It's not difficult to understand that if a person is truly miserable in where they find themselves, that effecting a change in hopes of being happy is a pretty normal course of action. And I can't fault someone for wanting "a change of scenery" if they are simply not happy where they are. And I guess I should never go past those basic observations.
That I do at all is mostly due to the fact that I know, unless my coach and teammates were the problem to begin with, that my sense of responsibility toward the coach and program that committed themselves to me would weigh heavily in my decision. And that might be enough for me to say "they committed to me, I have a responsibility to try and make this work."
Maybe he shouldn't have held all this so close to the vest. It's the abruptness of it that bothers me in that respect. The fact that he did not bring this up with Cooley at all. It's no crime, but it's not the most responsible way to behave, either. He just up and left them high and dry, as if they had never cared about him at all. And that surely was not the case. It was a mutual committment, same as any highly sought recruit. And you can't at least talk to Cooley and the staff about this? I know if I were EC, I would have asked Simon to talk to him as well in the past week.
Purposeful? No, I doubt it. Done in a somewhat less then responsible fashion? You bet. Cooley and Chukwu's teammates deserved better then the guy just keeps his mouth shut and then bolts in the third week of May. But, a man's life is his own, it's no crime. I just don't understand this as something you just do without giving your coach so much as a clue. He committed to you. You can't respect him enough to talk to him?
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Post by 78friar on May 20, 2015 10:40:12 GMT -5
Maybe without this 7-2 roadblock, PC just got a little more appealing to a possible big man transfer
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Post by friarbrown on May 20, 2015 16:41:37 GMT -5
I'm hoping we can get at least a couple of guys to come in. The problem with him leaving was that he offerred so much potential but from a stats point we aren't losing much. There were games where he disappearred and offensively this team wasn't the same when he was on the floor. He's delusional if he thinks that he will be in a better situation just like Fortune. Fortune left to go play point and Colorado has some pretty solid pgs on their roster. Rock made a great point. I was thinking about something similar as well. If recruits had to sit out 2 years or lost a year of playing time I think that would stop all of the transferring. I hate my boss and co-workers sometimes but I'm not gonna transfer to another department or job. There will always be adversity anywhere you go in life. These kids need to grow up and realize that.
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Post by thewalk on May 20, 2015 21:06:19 GMT -5
Fortune did not go to CO to play pg...he didn't like pc....now pc covers a lot of options....apparently same for pascal....
...not surprising that the kids don't like the school.....extremely surprising ( to me anyway) that cooley didn't have a clue....
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Post by bostonfriar on May 21, 2015 4:32:03 GMT -5
Wrong
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Post by charl on May 21, 2015 7:26:07 GMT -5
As Cooley put it:
“The Chukwu thing, I was blown away by. I didn’t know he was unhappy,” coach Cooley told the Providence Journal. “It was a total shocker. It blew me completely out of the water.”
Providence coach Cooley was quite candid in discussing with the Providence Journal the issues of so many players transferring recently.
“Any kid, when they’re unhappy with anything, they think there’s a quick fix somewhere else. I call them the ‘microwave generation.’ It’s the age of instant gratification. Not many kids want to persevere if they don’t get what they want right away. The ones who do become like LaDontae Henton (one of Providence’s all-time leading scorers who progressed yearly at the school).”
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I wonder if anybody on the staff or team had any clue. Did the players know he was unhappy? Cooley can't read his mind. Just sounds like he never provided a clue to anyone. The committment is two way. There should be an understanding on both the team and recruit's part that a committment brings with it the responsibility of trying to make that committment work. Sounds like Chukwu couldn't really be bothered. Which is immature on his part. If you make a committment, which Chukwu did, you don't pull out of it in this fashion. It's just a very irresponsible way to go about changing your mind.
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Post by thewalk on May 21, 2015 7:44:24 GMT -5
what's "wrong"...read fortune's quotes from last fall at CO....
charl - I'm not saying it's not true...just surprises the hell out of me that nobody affiliated with the program knew about him being unhappy and it didn't get back to cooley...
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Post by thumper on May 21, 2015 10:51:18 GMT -5
what's "wrong"...read fortune's quotes from last fall at CO.... charl - I'm not saying it's not true...just surprises the hell out of me that nobody affiliated with the program knew about him being unhappy and it didn't get back to cooley... strange as it seems, the coaching staff had no idea and I talked to a player yesterday who confirmed the team had no idea. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by pembroke04 on May 21, 2015 12:57:32 GMT -5
what's "wrong"...read fortune's quotes from last fall at CO.... charl - I'm not saying it's not true...just surprises the hell out of me that nobody affiliated with the program knew about him being unhappy and it didn't get back to cooley... strange as it seems, the coaching staff had no idea and I talked to a player yesterday who confirmed the team had no idea. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!! The "team", as in, everybody associated with the program, including staff and players? I understand that players are transferring at an alarming rate, but somebody had to know how uncomfortable Pascal felt. Even if he was not expressing himself verbally, there had to have been signs. I am not placing blame on either individual, but there was definitely no open and honest communication between Ed and Pascal. I never expected anything like this.
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Post by bostonfriar on May 21, 2015 13:44:10 GMT -5
what's "wrong"...read fortune's quotes from last fall at CO.... charl - I'm not saying it's not true...just surprises the hell out of me that nobody affiliated with the program knew about him being unhappy and it didn't get back to cooley... strange as it seems, the coaching staff had no idea and I talked to a player yesterday who confirmed the team had no idea. Josh's mother thoight/thinks he can be an NBA point. That's what Josh told Coach when he walked in to his office. Speculation vs quote. PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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