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Post by TheInfoMan on May 4, 2015 9:02:39 GMT -5
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 10:01:10 GMT -5
Post by wtm97 on May 4, 2015 10:01:10 GMT -5
Inevitable - and with continued success will happen much more often in the future...
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 10:51:49 GMT -5
Post by friarbroadcaster on May 4, 2015 10:51:49 GMT -5
GOOD! This is a good thing. If I were a coach and I believed in making my program better and in the minds of others across the nation, then I want the rumors and lists of other jobs every April/May.
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 11:18:25 GMT -5
Post by friar71 on May 4, 2015 11:18:25 GMT -5
GOOD! This is a good thing. If I were a coach and I believed in making my program better and in the minds of others across the nation, then I want the rumors and lists of other jobs every April/May. Broadcaster: But doesn't that also work as a negative if a kid and his family want to make sure the coach is going to be there if he commits to a school. It seems like every time a coach leaves some of the recruits are close behind as we are seeing at VCU. |
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 12:08:53 GMT -5
Post by friarbroadcaster on May 4, 2015 12:08:53 GMT -5
GOOD! This is a good thing. If I were a coach and I believed in making my program better and in the minds of others across the nation, then I want the rumors and lists of other jobs every April/May. Broadcaster: But doesn't that also work as a negative if a kid and his family want to make sure the coach is going to be there if he commits to a school. It seems like every time a coach leaves some of the recruits are close behind as we are seeing at VCU. There are positive and negative consequences for every situation. Certainly players and parents believe more in the head coach - even assistant coaches - without any true regard for the educational side of a school or the possibilities of a new coach and system coming in. So obviously if a coach leaves then there will be backlash. It happens. As you point out Shaka Smart leaves for Texas and the 2015 recruiting class has scattered. I look at the Chris Peterson situation at Boise State: he was on the list, or rumored to be on the list, of almost every major coaching job that came up while he was at Boise. He ended up taking a job at Washington, but the point is he kept the program playing big games early in the season and fighting for national TV games and BCS bowl games. Gregg Marshall, Brad Stevens at Butler, Shaka Smart until Texas, Mark Few, etc...these coaches know they can win where they are and can recruit. Cooley is doing that at Providence. Providence is not UNC, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky...and I think we would have a healthy debate on which jobs are truly worth leaving Providence...I have a longer lists than others. But the point is I see this more as a positive. Especially with Cooley. He knows it's about the brand and the hype. So I see it more as a good thing. |
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 13:05:46 GMT -5
Post by Cteve on May 4, 2015 13:05:46 GMT -5
Most coaches don't like answering questions about their careers. There's no downside to mentioning BE guys.
These writers don't care if it screws up their recruiting. Ed's going to be mentioned a lot.
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 15:47:58 GMT -5
Post by jaf97 on May 4, 2015 15:47:58 GMT -5
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 16:20:14 GMT -5
Post by friarbroadcaster on May 4, 2015 16:20:14 GMT -5
If Dunn wasn't back it would be pretty easy for Cooley to accept if offered.
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 18:18:10 GMT -5
Post by wtm97 on May 4, 2015 18:18:10 GMT -5
So then you have little faith when Ed Cooley clearly states over and over again that he is "home" and is in the PC program building thing for the long haul?
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 18:27:42 GMT -5
Post by friarbroadcaster on May 4, 2015 18:27:42 GMT -5
I don't think I said that.
I believe he loves this program and this school. But how many times do you hear coaches say "this is the only place me and my family want to be" or ADs and school presidents/chancellors say "we got the right guy"?...I do believe that Cooley means it more than the majority of coaches.
But considering this is the same guy who, back in 2013 during the Austin/Bullock incident, said to the administration "I can leave. I would have offers very quickly" I don't ever say someone would NEVER leave.
And, yes, I see a number of programs that if I were Cooley I would consider taking if offered. Florida would be tough to pass on. I don't see Cooley leaving for a while. But money can change loyalty. And I know you know this.
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 20:22:11 GMT -5
Post by charl on May 4, 2015 20:22:11 GMT -5
I'm naive. A big kid. Want to believe. All that aside, I've always believed Cooley. I've always felt this coach was here until he brought Providence back. He stated his goal clearly enough. I do indeed think Cooley is different. I think he has no intention of leaving unless he's forced to leave. It isn't a guarentee that he will succeed. But if he does, obviously he'll be in demand. If he leaves Providence for any other school, then either Providence showed him the door, or he is not Ed Cooley. No, I don't think he spoke the way he did just to "betray" the fan base in the end. He knew as well as anyone how this fan base was looking for the anidote to come and go coaches. He knew what we wanted to hear. Some people give people what they want to hear for their own ends. I believe he spoke from the heart because he wanted the same thing every other fan of Providence wanted. I can't see him leaving Providence for a long time.
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 20:24:17 GMT -5
Post by thewalk on May 4, 2015 20:24:17 GMT -5
If he turned down the alleged Pistons offer last year, you have to feel pretty good about him staying.....now I have no clue what assistant coach and recruiting hurdles he's runnung into and figure eventually they'd force him to consider other places...
...he's in year 5 and owes us nothing....we'd do well to get to 10...
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 20:39:48 GMT -5
Post by charl on May 4, 2015 20:39:48 GMT -5
I guess I would put it this way. In the "ever since Pitino" era, Ed Cooley is the first coach I believed did not view Providence as a stepping stone. I was never surprised when a coach moved on before. They didn't come in advertising their "transient" status. They didn't have to. I thought Cooley genuinely wanted to do something here for Providence and the state. I don't think any previous coach felt that way at all. If it doesn't work, so be it. But I think he came here with that mind set.
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Billy D
May 4, 2015 21:04:18 GMT -5
Post by thewalk on May 4, 2015 21:04:18 GMT -5
Got nothing to do with working/not working....99% get fired.....Christ even Gary Williams was basically asked to leave...umd was dead...He brought them a nc...and under armor thought he should recruit better....I blame no coach for leaving before asked...
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Billy D
May 5, 2015 5:11:42 GMT -5
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Post by drairf on May 5, 2015 5:11:42 GMT -5
I guess I would put it this way. In the "ever since Pitino" era, Ed Cooley is the first coach I believed did not view Providence as a stepping stone. I was never surprised when a coach moved on before. They didn't come in advertising their "transient" status. They didn't have to. I thought Cooley genuinely wanted to do something here for Providence and the state. I don't think any previous coach felt that way at all. If it doesn't work, so be it. But I think he came here with that mind set. He also came when we were in the old BE. It's why I was so disappointed when the league finally broke up. We finally had a coach that would have PC fighting for NCAA births from the old BE. If this league trends down and can't compete nationally, it will be tough for Cooley to stick around. Hope to see him start landing some of the top recruits he wants so he still believes he can win big at PC. |
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