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Post by charl on Apr 25, 2015 8:57:48 GMT -5
He's on a track to evolve into a local/regional folk hero: Setting a good example for kids by delaying gratification, getting his degree, etc. Ledo could've achieved at least some of such status by playing for at least one year. A lot of the sports pundants seem to think he's unlikely to improve his draft stock from where it was this year. The same pundants point out age 22 is not the best age to declare. But this is where we all wanted him to be, and we will want the very best outcome for him now that he is returning. Yes, if Ledo had stayed and played a year, it's a reasonable assumption that he would have gone in the first round, and been a more serious investment for whatever team would have selected him. He miscalculated, as many before him. He may yet make it with the Knicks or somewhere else, but he made things immeasurably more difficult on himself. And his gamble may prove to have been a huge mistake. Kris has adopted the opposite approach. His stock may never be higher then it would have been following workouts by teams before this draft. Another big time gamble. Hopefully, the results will be far better then those so far experienced by Ledo.
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Post by dex on Apr 25, 2015 9:19:25 GMT -5
digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODE/ProJo/excerpts Dunn’s not done Will return to Friars for senior year By Kevin McNamara Journal Sports Writer PROVIDENCE — Kris Dunn is coming back to Providence College next season. After several weeks of weighing a jump to the NBA and a multi-million-dollar payday or the chance to polish his game and earn a college degree, Dunn chose to return to school on Friday. It’s a decision that will be celebrated at the team’s awards dinner on Saturday and puts the Friars in line for a strong chance at a third consecutive NCAA Tournament berth next season. “I am excited about next season,” Dunn said in a statement issued by PC. “I have seen this program accomplish a lot over the last three seasons and I would like to be part of some more success. I really enjoy being around my teammates, coaches and all the friends and family I have in Friartown. Lastly, I am looking forward to continuing my growth, improving as a basketball player and earning my diploma.” Dunn’s father, John Seldon, will be at PC’s dinner. He says he’s proud of his son’s maturity and growth in his three years of college and that those qualities helped him come to this decision. “Most kids would jump at the chance [to play in the NBA]. It’s their dream,” Seldon said. “But Kris doesn’t want to just go to the NBA. He wants to play in the NBA.” Seldon said that he “felt some people were trying to make him leave” school, but his son has told him he intends to get stronger, work on his game and hopefully lead the Friars on a deeper NCAA Tournament run. New NCAA rules have created an “exceptional student-athlete disability insurance program,” that Dunn has secured. The program provides him the opportunity to protect against future loss of earnings as a professional athlete, due to a disabling injury or sickness that may occur during his collegiate career. “Kris had a very impressive season and I believe he is the top point guard in the country,” Cooley said in a statement. “He has grown so much as person and as a basketball player. We are excited that Kris will be part of our team next year and he will have the opportunity to earn his college degree. His ability and leadership will be instrumental to our success.” While NBA scouts agreed that Dunn was a first-round pick this season, some questioned his penchant for turnovers (4.2 per game) and inconsistent perimeter shooting. However, only Ohio State’s D’Angelo Russell and Texas high schooler Emmanuel Mudiay (who spent this season in China) were seen as point guards who would be picked ahead of him. A few key underclass candidates crowded the point guard crop (Cameron Payne of Murray State, Duke’s Tyus Jones), but Dunn was seen as a potential lottery (top 14) selection. Now as the nation’s top returning point guard, Cooley says Dunn can strive for a top-10 position in the 2016 draft.
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Post by wtm97 on Apr 25, 2015 9:20:54 GMT -5
Charl? Get ready because...
Posing pundits will pitch the problematic platter as their path of least resistance for presenting a set piece...and think about it - many already had him in the lottery so how much more can he expect to "move-up"??
The age 22 thing is skewed but again this has become the knee-jerk party-line of late...
If all goes according to plan, Kris will equal++ his overall output; correct the high dribble/TO and develop his shot. He has that chance to dominate.
Next season will be fun as once more we will need to see young'ums develop adding to the mix; critical mass can be obtained early on if Bullock (2 seasons of Cooley systemic practice) and Cartwright/Bentil/Lindsey continue their promise from last season.
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Post by friar71 on Apr 25, 2015 9:23:39 GMT -5
He's on a track to evolve into a local/regional folk hero: Setting a good example for kids by delaying gratification, getting his degree, etc. Ledo could've achieved at least some of such status by playing for at least one year. A lot of the sports pundants seem to think he's unlikely to improve his draft stock from where it was this year. The same pundants point out age 22 is not the best age to declare. But this is where we all wanted him to be, and we will want the very best outcome for him now that he is returning. Yes, if Ledo had stayed and played a year, it's a reasonable assumption that he would have gone in the first round, and been a more serious investment for whatever team would have selected him. He miscalculated, as many before him. He may yet make it with the Knicks or somewhere else, but he made things immeasurably more difficult on himself. And his gamble may prove to have been a huge mistake. Kris has adopted the opposite approach. His stock may never be higher then it would have been following workouts by teams before this draft. Another big time gamble. Hopefully, the results will be far better then those so far experienced by Ledo. If Dunn is the best PG in the draft next year, you can bet some team with a top 6 or 7 pick will need a PG. This year, 2 of the top 6 are projected to be young PG. Certainly the NBA drafts for potential becuase so many of these kids are 18 or 19, but I think if a team sees a PG who can help right away and is the best at that position in the draft, they will take Kris.
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Post by dex on Apr 25, 2015 9:42:56 GMT -5
Kris Dunn's Unique Path by Kfar friarbasketball.com/2015/04/25/kris-dunns-unique-path/Excerpt Terrific Piece WHOANearly four years ago Kris Dunn took a chance on Ed Cooley. Four years later he’s betting on himself. In many ways 2015 was much like 2011 for Dunn. In a span of a few months in 2011, he went from a virtual unknown to one of the country’s hottest prep prospects the summer before his senior year at New London High School. Prior to this season Dunn’s name had seemingly fallen off the NBA radar thanks to a pair of shoulder surgeries, but by season’s end he was considered a lock for the first round and a potential lottery pick — his stock rising as rapidly as it had in high school. Dunn has always done things a little differently. Prior to his arrival at Providence Ed Cooley told Friarbasketball, “It takes a courageous kid to come in and help you try to build a program Few would have found fault had Dunn parlayed his Co-Big East Player of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year awards into an NBA contract this summer (in fact, many national writers have questioned if he has much to gain by returning), but Dunn once again took his own path, with faith in himself, his shoulder, his coach, and Providence — and faith that this past season was only a glimpse of what is to come. His improvement from November to February was startling, and with a healthy summer of continued improvement, Providence will have the rarest of talents on Smith Hill: a National Player of the Year candidate who has taken a unique, and at times heart-breaking, path to the top of college basketball. And we all get to follow along for one more year. Twitter: @kevin_Farrahar Email: kevin.farrahar@friarbasketball.com
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Post by Free Weyinmi on Apr 26, 2015 23:47:23 GMT -5
A lot of the sports pundants seem to think he's unlikely to improve his draft stock from where it was this year. The same pundants point out age 22 is not the best age to declare. But this is where we all wanted him to be, and we will want the very best outcome for him now that he is returning. Yes, if Ledo had stayed and played a year, it's a reasonable assumption that he would have gone in the first round, and been a more serious investment for whatever team would have selected him. He miscalculated, as many before him. He may yet make it with the Knicks or somewhere else, but he made things immeasurably more difficult on himself. And his gamble may prove to have been a huge mistake. Kris has adopted the opposite approach. His stock may never be higher then it would have been following workouts by teams before this draft. Another big time gamble. Hopefully, the results will be far better then those so far experienced by Ledo. If Dunn is the best PG in the draft next year, you can bet some team with a top 6 or 7 pick will need a PG. This year, 2 of the top 6 are projected to be young PG. Certainly the NBA drafts for potential becuase so many of these kids are 18 or 19, but I think if a team sees a PG who can help right away and is the best at that position in the draft, they will take Kris. My point has nothing to do with the his NBA draft prospects, but rather his stature as a human being.
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Post by drairf on Apr 27, 2015 5:35:54 GMT -5
The NBA drafts on potential because they have to (the best players leave at age 19 and they can't afford to not grab them).
The 22 year old argument has holes in it because, well, there are not many players with Lottery potential who enter the draft at 22. Dunn is in a unique situation.
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Post by charl on Apr 27, 2015 7:43:15 GMT -5
A lot of the sports pundants seem to think he's unlikely to improve his draft stock from where it was this year. The same pundants point out age 22 is not the best age to declare. But this is where we all wanted him to be, and we will want the very best outcome for him now that he is returning. Yes, if Ledo had stayed and played a year, it's a reasonable assumption that he would have gone in the first round, and been a more serious investment for whatever team would have selected him. He miscalculated, as many before him. He may yet make it with the Knicks or somewhere else, but he made things immeasurably more difficult on himself. And his gamble may prove to have been a huge mistake. Kris has adopted the opposite approach. His stock may never be higher then it would have been following workouts by teams before this draft. Another big time gamble. Hopefully, the results will be far better then those so far experienced by Ledo. If Dunn is the best PG in the draft next year, you can bet some team with a top 6 or 7 pick will need a PG. This year, 2 of the top 6 are projected to be young PG. Certainly the NBA drafts for potential becuase so many of these kids are 18 or 19, but I think if a team sees a PG who can help right away and is the best at that position in the draft, they will take Kris. I'm certainly not predicting where Dunn will go in next year's draft. Just pointing out how the pundits take the arguments against staying this year, and declare them as something "to be overcome" by Dunn next season, so to speak. They set the narrative that way to their own satisfaction: "Dunn miscalculated in all likelihood; let's see if he can overcome his mistake and still make out". That is somewhat easy to say before a single game has been played. They create a narrative where they see Dunn as being in.a position of having to prove he made the right decision. That's their problem if that's how they want to see it. Unfortunately, the sad fact is, anytime Dunn has a bad game, there they'll be wondering in their columns if he should have declared. Can't we just see that happening next year? There will be pundits who will use his decision against him if they think they can. In the meantime, it will be about the team and how to continue to use Kris to make the team click. We will block all the know it all pundits out. And Dunn will shine. We know that, now, don't we? wtm97 wrote: "Posing pundits will pitch the problematic platter as their path of least resistance for presenting a set piece...and think about it - many already had him in the lottery so how much more can he expect to "move-up"?? Exactly. They have their narrative in place already. All set to pounce should Kris falter in the least. But Dunn knows this. He did not come back just to prove he could prove the pundits wrong. They can prattle on all they want. This is nothing but great news for our team and our program. He will go at least as high as he would go this year. What the hey is the big deal? And he will have his degree and, we hope, a nice legacy in the NCAA Tournament as well.
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Post by thewalk on Apr 27, 2015 8:14:04 GMT -5
Has anything negative been written about this Charl?
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Post by charl on Apr 27, 2015 8:54:12 GMT -5
Has anything negative been written about this Charl? The answer may depend on what either of us means by "negative". I was thinking of this article, actually published prior to Friday's statement: bleacherreport.com/articles/2440452-providences-kris-dunn-making-risky-decision-to-pass-on-2015-nba-draftSo, I'm going to assume my idea of "negative" likely does not match your own. A pundit speculating that it was a mistake, or emphasizing that it is a possible mistake, I saw as "negative", but past a certain point.. It is perfectly understandable if bb pundits everywhere point out the risk involved. And saying this MAY be a mistake. And there will always be people ready to pounce and say "I told you so", if Dunn falters significantly. If I need to find someone who is stating flat out "this is a mistake. He made the wrong choice. He is going to regret making this choice", then the answer is "no, I have not yet seen that declarative a negative statement." I have seen opinions that he made the wrong choice, but followed by, in so many words, "hope he proves me wrong." I was equating "negative" with "wrong decision". Naturally, I don't know what would constitute "anything negative written about this" from your perspective/definition of negative. I mentioned elsewhere in the forum universe that all the analysis by fans regarding why he made a mistake, and that you can find plenty of, overlooks the fact that Dunn and family thought a lot deeper then any of those fans did about the risks. And still he decided to return. He made the decision that he felt was right for him, and I'm certain he put more thought into it then any of his fans. That sure stands to reason to me. If he didn't conclude it was a mistake to return, then all the fans and pundits really do questioning his decision is state what they would do if they had the same choice to make. Which is totally beside the point. It was not their decision. Who cares what they would have done anyway?
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Post by wtm97 on Apr 27, 2015 9:03:38 GMT -5
Very well stated charl... The pundits position themselves to be able to point fingers down-line, no doubt based on the principle of success measured by that prusuit of the almighty dollar - so be it. Like freeweymini's take here about Dunn and his decision - it is after all a decision based on what is best for Kris Dunn and not what the stock and trade dictate. He likes college, wants his degree and has a life beyond basketball...is he taking a "chance" here? Sure he is but life is about making decisions and taking chances, isn't it? Here is a link regarding the NCAA insurance program: www.ncaa.org/about/resources/insurance/student-athlete-insurance-programs
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Post by charl on Apr 27, 2015 9:24:53 GMT -5
Very well stated charl... The pundits position themselves to be able to point fingers down-line, no doubt based on the principle of success measured by that prusuit of the almighty dollar - so be it. Like freeweymini's take here about Dunn and his decision - it is after all a decision based on what is best for Kris Dunn and not what the stock and trade dictate. He likes college, wants his degree and has a life beyond basketball...is he taking a "chance" here? Sure he is but life is about making decisions and taking chances, isn't it? Here is a link regarding the NCAA insurance program: www.ncaa.org/about/resources/insurance/student-athlete-insurance-programsThanks, wtm97. I think if I could in just a few words get a point across it would be as I last stated: be it fan or sports pundit, stating that Dunn likely made the wrong decision is really just their way of saying "this is what I would have done." And the most relevant reply I can think of to such thoughts is "so what? Who cares? Is your name Kris Dunn?"
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Post by wtm97 on Apr 27, 2015 9:33:06 GMT -5
Correct.
Kris Dunn and his family made the decision on what is best for Kris Dunn.
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Post by dex on Apr 27, 2015 13:56:14 GMT -5
Charl: "so what? Who cares? Is your name Kris Dunn?"
OMG that is beautiful Charl...splendid response IMO
I have nominated that as Quote Of The Year
There isn't really any voting ...same for Post Of The Year
This being a benign dictatorship, wtm just awards stuff to whomever he pleases
There is also NO appeals process...you don't like it? He says SCREW !
Personally...I love the setup
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Post by pcdad on Apr 27, 2015 15:20:20 GMT -5
Enlightened Despotism or merely a Benign Autocracy?
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