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Post by jacka252 on Dec 3, 2014 18:53:52 GMT -5
dmac80 wrote:
Still believe we need to expand the league to at least 12 sooner rather than later lest we face the prospect of the BE needing to be near perfect OOC every year, which is unrealistic. The stellar OOC record will help when the in conference home and homes begin and most of the league winds up .500 in conference in a logjam in the middle which will be perceived and publicized as 1 or 2 power teams at the top (Nova and Creighton last year for example) and then a bunch of mediocrity. Better or worse, you need a top heavy league with plenty of dregs to feed off of to get multiple bids most years unless you have a run like we've had so far OOC.
_____________________________________________________________________ Would really like to see league add a couple of teams next year. St. Louis is a no brainer. Eastern addition is the problem. Really big issue here IMHO in that balance east to mid-west must be maintained no matter what. Do we want to make same mistake as with basketball vs football issue of old Big East versus the current issue which is we should not want to allow this conference to become a mid-west centric conference. If it goes that way all decisions will be tainted with what’s best for the Midwest. Even in old Big East when basketball schools controlled the majority of the votes, think it was St. John’s which cast the fatal vote with the football schools to shift the balance of power to them. Once the horse out of the barn, you’re not getting him back in. Returning to new prospects, really would like to see new team from the N.C. / Virginia area. Volumes have been written about Richmond/VCU. While some will always pound the table for VCU for obvious reasons, personally believe what has been written with Presidents not of favor of addition of public institution. Let face it there are more easy consideration for additions from the Midwest than from the east. Dayton being easy one for me because I love their fan base/community support. May seem strange to say that one of negatives from my prospective is that they are Catholic. Nothing against Catholic for sure only don’t want to be reading about Catholic Conference so diversity important. St. Louis no brainer as said and we know they Catholic also. Where does the eastern add come from? Was excited about mentioned connection with Johns Hopkins for lacrosse which believe fell through and saw mention of TheBig being interested in them who has big fat media contract. Davidson, Richmond, any chance for Old Dominion even with their football program? Would they consider dropping football? Southern school dropping football is that an oxymoron? Who will emerge as the eastern school if not Richmond? Read numerous comments about people loving the current round robin format, couldnt that continue under 12 team scenario? Maybe not prime time to talk about expansion but think it very interesting. Thrilled with management to date, hope whatever they do league grows and prospers more each year. Where we are now is beyond my wildest dreams as to where we were (on the respirator) just a few short years ago. Great effort and work by those who got us here
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Post by pcdad on Dec 4, 2014 11:25:15 GMT -5
Last season was proof that a 10 team Big East was getting only 3 bids from the NCAA committee. PC winning the BE Tournament was the 4th bumping another bubble team out of the tournament.
Reality check before we start counting NCAA Tournament invites because of a great start to the season with number of OCC wins.
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Post by thewalk on Dec 4, 2014 11:33:06 GMT -5
...I'd expect the BE to get at least 2 of the A10s bids from last year and end up with at least 5 (figuring we were a 3 bid conf last year).....I think the BE magic number is 6....
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Post by TheInfoMan on Dec 4, 2014 11:42:10 GMT -5
FWIW, I think PC needs to finish in the top three of the BE in order to get into the Big Dance. If we finish 4th or lower, the committee will look down on us no matter the SOS or OCC.
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Post by thewalk on Dec 4, 2014 12:37:05 GMT -5
I think PC needs to finish in the top three of the BE in order to get into the Big Dance. If we finish 4th or lower, the committee will look down on us no matter the SOS or OCC....hate doing this on 12/4 but I couldn't disagree more if we take down bc/umass/Miami/uri....our nonconf metrics will be tip top....even a loss to Miami if everything else holds up....
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Post by TheInfoMan on Dec 4, 2014 13:32:16 GMT -5
I think PC needs to finish in the top three of the BE in order to get into the Big Dance. If we finish 4th or lower, the committee will look down on us no matter the SOS or OCC....hate doing this on 12/4 but I couldn't disagree more if we take down bc/umass/Miami/uri....our nonconf metrics will be tip top....even a loss to Miami if everything else holds up.... I sincerely hope you're right, but I've become accustomed to the BE in general and PC in particular being disrespected by NCAA committees.
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Post by thefriarman on Dec 4, 2014 13:46:24 GMT -5
I think PC needs to finish in the top three of the BE in order to get into the Big Dance. If we finish 4th or lower, the committee will look down on us no matter the SOS or OCC....hate doing this on 12/4 but I couldn't disagree more if we take down bc/umass/Miami/uri....our nonconf metrics will be tip top....even a loss to Miami if everything else holds up.... I sincerely hope you're right, but I've become accustomed to the BE in general and PC in particular being disrespected by NCAA committees. Wow, Infoman mod is sounding like a beaten man 7 games into the season... I think if the conference RPI can stay up in the top 4 or 5 it will bode well for more teams getting in. Walk's spot on with regard to taking down those 4 teams (and no Brown stain)....
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Post by thewalk on Dec 4, 2014 14:21:11 GMT -5
...I should clarify...this assumes a conf record in the 10W range which puts you in the 4-6 range depending on the bottom of the league...
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Post by TheInfoMan on Dec 4, 2014 14:22:27 GMT -5
Anyone know how the conference RPI was at the end of last season?
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Post by thewalk on Dec 4, 2014 14:36:30 GMT -5
i believe 4....but the metrics of our bubble teams sucked....especially compared to the A10...haven't followed the A10 a ton this year but would be shocked if it's a 4 bid league...believe they had 6 last year...
...the BE would have to have a disastrous December not to be a 5 team league...
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Post by pcdad on Dec 4, 2014 15:07:24 GMT -5
Walk you are way more optimistic than I am as far as the NCAA perception of the Big East. Providence has had two meaningful wins in the early season.
I do like your points about picking up some of A10's bids.
The season lies ahead to earn a bid. A strong Big East leading to five bids would make for a fun filled tournament for Big East fans. enjoy the good times...
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Post by thewalk on Dec 4, 2014 16:22:25 GMT -5
it's way early (obviously) but if the BE can get into the conf sched without too many eff ups, the conf will be in great shape....the projected nonconf SOS per team is ridiculous...believe every team is projected top 100....A10 has one team inside the top 59 and several outside the top 100...keep in mind this is projected (and not current)...I believe PC is projected with 11 Ls and they have us 4th in conf....
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Post by friara on Dec 4, 2014 18:09:29 GMT -5
Walk you are way more optimistic than I am as far as the NCAA perception of the Big East. Providence has had two meaningful wins in the early season. I do like your points about picking up some of A10's bids. The season lies ahead to earn a bid. A strong Big East leading to five bids would make for a fun filled tournament for Big East fans. enjoy the good times... I think the Yale victory might end up being bigger than the Florida St. win. Agree with a Walk on this. The BE did not have many marquee wins last year in the non conf schedule. We look a lot better than last year as a league.
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Post by thewalk on Dec 4, 2014 21:34:47 GMT -5
...and the A10 a lot worse....
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Post by friara on Dec 5, 2014 6:33:08 GMT -5
The AAC is an even bigger disaster. If UConn wins that league tournament, it could be a 1 bid league.
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