friar82
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Post by friar82 on Nov 16, 2014 9:20:14 GMT -5
My outlook for last night was guarded going in, as I had yet to see the team play - and I sensed that UAlbany didn't come in with a plan to roll over at tip off.
- Based upon what I saw, it seems that chemistry is an issue - but that's something which good coaching and time can address(give it 10 games like Johnny suggests);
- I was surprised by the number of misses that our returnees had from the foul line - kid's have to practice and get themselves back in the groove they were in last year - as we will need every free throw to win some games;
- There were stretches where our length didn't translate to rebounds, which is a concern;
- Good to hear that Sonar likes Lindsey's stroke from the outside. Hopefully, his conversion rate will increase as his finger heals up.
- Carson needs to demonstrate that he can score with his back to the basket, or Ben Bentil needs to pick up more minutes at the 5.
- I agree with others, that Dunn didn't establish himself like I had hoped. Ed needs needs to consider the next two games as opportunities to do so (meaning less pairing of Dunn and Cartwright), before the level of competition goes up a couple of notches.
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Post by thewalk on Nov 16, 2014 11:49:57 GMT -5
Yes. Ryan's first game as a frosh saw him sit on the bench all night. As well as his 2nd and 3rd...........on a team that finished under .500.....Bentil would be a 25 mpg guy on that team as a frosh...we're finally getting a look closer to quality programs where freshmen work their way into getting minutes (makes the cartwright lovefest even more puzzling) which is going to make comparing freshmen year stats almost pointless....the team "should" be a chitload better.....
as for the youth/inexperience....nobody has more experience than henton/harris/carson.....dunn's got approx 25 games under his belt....as does lamomba...and both have had tons of practice time with Cooley's system....i think that's a weak excuse and unfortunately they need to figure it out quick....
Cooley's not an idiot and has to see the outside shooting issue in our backcourt....which leads me to think cartwright is currently a better perimeter threat in practice than lindsey and lamomba....otherwise dunn would be at the 1...and that concerns me.
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Post by friar71 on Nov 16, 2014 12:09:56 GMT -5
Yes. Ryan's first game as a frosh saw him sit on the bench all night. As well as his 2nd and 3rd...........on a team that finished under .500.....Bentil would be a 25 mpg guy on that team as a frosh...we're finally getting a look closer to quality programs where freshmen work their way into getting minutes (makes the cartwright lovefest even more puzzling) which is going to make comparing freshmen year stats almost pointless....the team "should" be a chitload better..... as for the youth/inexperience....nobody has more experience than henton/harris/carson.....dunn's got approx 25 games under his belt....as does lamomba...and both have had tons of practice time with Cooley's system....i think that's a weak excuse and unfortunately they need to figure it out quick.... Cooley's not an idiot and has to see the outside shooting issue in our backcourt....which leads me to think cartwright is currently a better perimeter threat in practice than lindsey and lamomba....otherwise dunn would be at the 1...and that concerns me. I think last night's team looks like a team that did not have a guard on the floor who played any significant minutes last year at the collegiate level. Joe Hassett said that the offense down the stretch needs to go through Henton. It is tough to run an offense through a forward especially since Henton is not a great passer. The Ryan Gomes reference brings back a lot of memories of that approach and he was a pretty good passer. Certainly Henton will be a primary option down the stretch of games but hopefully it is being set up by a point guard. I think Blaney's comments were interesting in that Lindsey should be seeeing more minutes but is behind due to the time he has missed. That may be why Cartwright is forced into a starting PG role. I think Dunn is the key not so much from a scoring standpoint but for the ability to get into the lane and to lead the break.
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Post by dmac80 on Nov 16, 2014 12:13:06 GMT -5
...and Dmac....we are not young....not even close... 7 Freshman...2 seniors and 1 junior who play.....you're right walk, not even close...
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Post by thewalk on Nov 16, 2014 12:22:40 GMT -5
7 freshman...who play? enlighten me...
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Post by dmac80 on Nov 16, 2014 12:29:46 GMT -5
Dude we have 10 under classman. Only 3 upper classman play. Last night 6 freshman and sophomores played vs the 3 upper classman. That overwhelmingly qualifies as a young and inexperienced team. Own it dude you crazy.
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Post by thewalk on Nov 16, 2014 12:35:19 GMT -5
so we don't have 7 freshmen who play?...
Lomomba - 25 games (approx)...jr Dunn - 25 games (approx)...jr Carson - 5th yr sr Henton - sr Harris - sr Teddy - sr
...should be more than enough experience to allow the freshmen to get their feet wet....
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Post by dmac80 on Nov 16, 2014 12:39:20 GMT -5
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Post by thewalk on Nov 16, 2014 12:45:10 GMT -5
...you're kidding...
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Post by Rock on Nov 16, 2014 13:15:19 GMT -5
The whole inexperience thing is way overplayed, maybe not as dramatic in any one direction favoring walk or dmac but in context. Experienced compared to what? Most every legit top NCAA team is forced to play with frosh, soph's and players with a limited history of eligibility. That's college basketball these days. Can't lay on our squad being inexperienced without noting that Albany had fewer returning players on the floor last night at times than we did. And how does that excuse work when you play someone like Kentucky?
I also don't completely by the "rust" comment with Dunn. Role, confidence, comfort-level with teammates, sure, but not just "rust". I think we'll get rolling when Lyndsay hits stride, Dunn moves over to PG and Bentil gets some face-up jumpers going. January would be my guess on this. I'm bullish.
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Post by dmac80 on Nov 16, 2014 13:19:17 GMT -5
There's 2 separate points, one which you bring up Rock about whether experience matters or not, or is a valid excuse for mistakes or losing. You don't seem to think so. I disagree with you, but that's cool. I'd also point out the comment about us being young and inexperienced applies for the whole season going forward, not just against Albany. Kentucky is the exception to the rule, older teams make less mistakes and win more on average.
The second point is whether or not we are in fact young/inexperienced which we are, 10 underclassman, 3 upper classman equals young inexperienced team. Fact.
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Post by mikemc on Nov 16, 2014 13:30:01 GMT -5
Kentucky down by 1 with 15 minutes to go against Buffalo? ? We will have a much better read of who is a playa and who isn't after the Mohegan weekend. Chill, it was the 1st game of the season with players trying to get comfortable in a real game with some new faces and roles ....gotta love friartown....
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Post by thewalk on Nov 16, 2014 14:00:05 GMT -5
included in your 10 "underclassmen" are two players who have played 25 games AND are in year 3 of D1 college basketball....another is a 20 year old true freshman...FACT.....If Cooley handed out a scholly that could be better used elsewhere (Teddy) that's on him.....if he used up a scholly on a SG who worked with the team all last year and can't get a second half minute (i do realize it's only one game and the first game)....that's on him as well...
SO when half of your scholarship roster is in year 3+, you can no longer be considered young and better hope the guys you've invested in step it up....
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Post by HolyMoly on Nov 16, 2014 14:37:54 GMT -5
Until Dunn gets in the flow I think you need Cartright in there. He can hit from the outside(didn't last night)and also scored a nice basket off the drive. Dunn is not a shooter but I think in a month or two he will at least be finishing his drives and then maybe we can plug Lindsey in at the #2 and be a much better team defensively. FWIW Cartright doesn't look Big East ready from a defensive standpoint but his line wasn't terrible for a freshman playing his first game(4-10 8pts/5dimes and 2TO) IMO the guy that should have been on the floor more last night was Lomomba. Harris played a good game but it would be nice if he could rebound at a higher level. 6'9 and only 5 boards last night in 34 mins. Might be a 2-man show in terms of scoring this year.
Bullock was that 3rd option
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Post by dmac80 on Nov 16, 2014 15:50:18 GMT -5
I think some are wondering if Cartwright being in there running point all or even some of the time is throwing Dunn off his game.
Didn't see Stonehill though, how was he in that one? We definitely owe it to all of them to see how things play out in a bigger sample.
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