mikemc
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Post by mikemc on Aug 8, 2014 21:52:21 GMT -5
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Post by dex on Aug 8, 2014 22:13:54 GMT -5
old news Mikey...the OT Editor was on this many hours ago....tells me you're being a little sloppy in reading here
et tu brute
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Post by wtm97 on Aug 9, 2014 6:10:16 GMT -5
So the end game of the scrambling amidst the conference restructuring is now our reality. "Show me the Money" becomes an open tableau no longer the taboo of the furtive handshake.
Coming as this does whilst slick rick steals and seals young Donovan Mitchell after a short courtship signals a situation where we are back sitting at the table, the weak sister much like when duplicitous BC started the end of tradition for the lure of the $$$ leading to the flood of departures to the ACC. And the table we sit at ain't no 'table for two' either...
What is to do?
We can and will build that promised practice facility - and it will be very nice I am sure but still we will remain way behind compared to the facilities and size of the behemoths. We are certainly not alone in this; the 65 elitists are just that - the 'premiers' and that gap will become increasingly glaring going forward.
The entire Big East, trying to market that basketball only concept will all have to face up and try to compete as best they can - hoping for the Bryce Cotton's of the world to emerge.
Add to all that the increasing transfer fever and you have a very difficult landscape for program building - always present but now even more so...
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mikemc
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Post by mikemc on Aug 9, 2014 6:54:53 GMT -5
Just providing a little more in depth reading on the subject. Much like your favorite beach, I found your tweet from Goodman to be lacking any substance..
....gotta love friartown...
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Post by dex on Aug 9, 2014 8:16:43 GMT -5
Good one Mikey you son of a b****...enjoy your honky tonk carnival beach experience today
I think WTM, our GREAT Mod, has hit the nail on the head.
"the weak sister much like when duplicitous BC started the end of tradition for the lure of the $$$ leading to the flood of departures to the ACC"
Yes the perfidy perpetrated by Flipper and that Jesuit has come full circle. The arms race is alive and well... and one can see in the distance the surrender of the Have Nots.
Fr Shanley's words when he assumed the Presidency initially:
“Competing builds character,” he said, “and helps in the moral development of our students.”
Collegiate sports, especially basketball, have brought the school enormous benefits by increasing the school’s visibility and marketability throughout the country and extending its influence beyond the United States. “You can’t put a dollar value on that,” he said.
The school’s success at the highest levels has also created a fertile ground for alumni support, he added. “It has cemented loyalties with important constituencies.”
That said, Father Shanley is worried about basketball at Providence College. “Do I like what I have to spend on athletics? No,” he said. “It is fundamentally wrong what we have to spend,” he added, calling the pressure to pour more and more money into collegiate athletic programs “an arms race.”
He also said that more college presidents are increasingly concerned about the money that they must funnel into goods and services for athletes at schools with elite programs. There is a widening gap between the elite programs and those that are struggling just to remain competitive, Father Shanley said.
At some point, college presidents like him will need to decide when their funding of athletics is out of balance with their academic funding as an institution of higher learning.
During the last few years, “the landscape has changed,” Father Shanley said. “It’s become a challenge for us to stay” competitive with the elite college basketball programs in the country and in the Big East Conference. “Make no mistake, I want to win,” the priest added. “However, I care most about what kind of person comes out of Providence College ... and there’s a limited amount of money that I can afford to give to basketball.” “I cannot afford to give any more,” Father Shanley said. “We are maxed out.”
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Post by dex on Aug 9, 2014 9:27:53 GMT -5
Very sad news here...now the conspiracy between Swofford and espn to destroy the Big East will remain a secret:
COLLEGE Settlement reached
The Atlantic Coast Conference and the University of Maryland have settled their legal dispute over the Terrapins’ exit from the league. Under terms of a settlement announced on Friday, the ACC will keep the roughly $31 million it had previously withheld from Maryland and the school will not owe the conference any more money. In addition, lawsuits filed by both sides will be dismissed.
...gotta love friartown...
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Post by wtm97 on Aug 9, 2014 10:46:58 GMT -5
No surprise here at all - why continue lining lawyer's wallets? Neither side gains from continuing as they settle and look forward to feasting upon the fatted calf - both the ACC and the BIG are "IN"...
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Post by dex on Aug 10, 2014 12:54:42 GMT -5
I spent an enjoyable Saturday at Coach Cooley's Elite Camp with pal Craig Leighton, Rich Coren, and his Dad who really knows his stuff...present and past. Given the new landscape especially, I totally agree with what Richard said today at his board concerning Friar recruiting of 2017 Javon Taylor and his very early verbal: forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=425&f=1323&t=13041526&p=2"Well, I'm excited... I think this is how you have to recruit now. Georgetown has made a living out of really early commits."If, for a example, a 2017 kid screws you in the Summer of 2016 and won't be signing his LOI in Nov 2016, you have plenty of time to recover. If he plays it straight, and you can evaluate like Cooley can, you have a big win. Now give me a 2016 while we wait for a couple of 2015s to pop. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot Just kidd'n ....except for one sad-sack ...gotta love friartown... ...i have no idea...
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Post by dex on Aug 11, 2014 18:43:25 GMT -5
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Post by dex on Aug 11, 2014 19:36:48 GMT -5
Dauster is a buffoon of a writer but he lays it right out there....hopefully the kid rots on the pine for a couple of years and that breaks him like so many before him that pitino has used...the hope remains that some will get that all that glitters is not gold...pitino is the worse thing that ever happened to PC and college BB collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/11/louisville-steals-recruit-from-providence-proves-college-hoops-hierarchy-exists/Louisville lands recruit over Providence, proves college hoops hierarchy exists Rob Dauster Aug 11, 2014, 8:09 PM EDT Providence recruited Donovan Mitchell, a talented lead guard in the Class of 2015, as well as any program can recruit a player. For two years, the coaching staff stalked him, building a relationship and watching his games and doing all the little things that it takes to convince a kid to come to your college to play basketball for you. They didn’t stop recruiting him when a broken wrist kept him out the summer after his sophomore season and their interest didn’t fluctuate when Mitchell’s ranking on the major recruiting websites remained in the borderline top 100 range. They were, many believed, the favorites to land his services. This summer, the Friars were court side for every game that Mitchell played during the July live period, with at least one assistant and, often times, head coach Ed Cooley getting a front row look as Mitchell’s stock began to soar. From Philly to Springfield to Atlanta to Vegas, the Friars trailed Mitchell as he put together sterling performance after sterling performance, collecting scholarship offer after scholarship offer. When it was all said and done, Mitchell had gone from a borderline top 100 recruit to a borderline five-star recruit; from a kid that was a target for the high-major programs in the northeast to someone that was being targeted by heavily by one of the nation’s best basketball programs, Louisville. He played his best basketball in front of the right people at the right time, and it was all over for Providence before they even knew what hit them. Last Thursday, less than a month from the time he received an offer from the Cardinals, Mitchell committed during a visit to the campus. He never even took an official visit to Providence. That’s the kind of miss of the recruiting trail that is going to sting, but it’s also one that schools like Providence know all too well. The best programs are going to get the best players, and often times it doesn’t matter how good a relationship with a coaching staff is or how much effort one program has put into a kid’s recruitment. They want to play for the best programs in the country, which is why Mitchell’s recruitment is a textbook example of why granting the Power 5 conferences the autonomy to play their athletes a stipend isn’t going to significantly change the power structure in college basketball. I wrote about that very point extensively here. Louisville won the 2013 national title a year after playing in the 2012 Final Four. The school will make the jump from the American to the ACC this season, putting itself in what is likely the nation’s premier basketball conference. He’ll play every meaningful game in his career on national television, and there will be a lot of meaningful games during the years that he spends on campus. He’ll compete for league championships and national titles. He’ll play in front of 22,090 fans every time the Cardinals take the court at the KFC Yum! Center. That said, Providence isn’t a bad program. Cooley has done a terrific job rebooting that program despite the fact that arguably the three best recruits that he’s brought to campus in his tenure — Ricky Ledo, Kris Dunn and Brandon Austin — have done next to nothing in a Friar uniform. He’s got a very good 2014 recruiting class entering the program this season and his 2015 class is off to a good start. In Cooley’s third season, the Friars made the NCAA tournament for the first time in a decade, and sent their star guard to the NBA.
They’re peaking right now. Outside of Villanova — maybe — I’d say there is an argument to be made that Providence has the brightest future of any program in the Big East.
But none of that changes the fact that Providence isn’t Louisville. And this is without Louisville having the ability to pay for full cost of attendance scholarships or to fly family members of their players to NCAA tournament or all of those things that the Power 5 conference schools are going to be able to provide with the new autonomy ruling.So if Providence loses a kid it prioritized for two years to Louisville, who recruited him for a month. What is really going to change when the rules change? ...gotta love friartown... ...i have no idea...
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Post by dex on Aug 11, 2014 20:00:04 GMT -5
Musical Interlude...Dedicated to Ed Cooley and Bob Simon's recruitment of Alex Owens, another Top 100, post creepy mitchell a shot in the arm we needed today www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf052uxFF58...gotta love friartown... ...i have no idea...
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Post by dex on Oct 11, 2014 11:38:32 GMT -5
projo.com
NCAA scheme will hike college costs
TOM SULLIVAN
NBURLINGTON, Vt.
Now that members of the National Collegiate Athletic Association have voted to approve a sweeping, if not radical, proposal giving the five largest athletic conferences “autonomy” to establish new governance rules regarding a compensation pay package for the recruitment of athletes, three very important public policy concerns need to be addressed.
The five largest conferences now have the authority to set their own rules regarding recruitment and compensation for athletes. Although the other 27 Division I conferences could, theoretically, adopt similar rules, it is clear that many, if not all of those conferences, which include some 285 individual institutions, do not have the financial ability to compete with this new pay-to-play scheme. Even within the five big conferences, many schools will not have the financial ability to support these changes.
The University of Vermont’s vote to “override” the NCAA proposal was a statement in support of students and the important, long-held concept of the amateur student-athlete. The new approved NCAA proposal will foster commercialization and professionalization in intercollegiate athletics and detract from the focus on the success of the athlete as a student first.
In this time of scarce resources for many institutions, the proposal presents a real threat to the ability to provide educational opportunities not only for student-athletes, but for other students as well. Funds and support that should be directed to the academic success of students may, under this approval, be directed to athletes well beyond the necessary support of full tuition and fees and the cost of attendance. This wealth transfer may lead to an increase in the cost of attendance for all students as institutional funds are redirected to support monetary awards for athletes.
Further, this flawed NCAA plan is arguably a serious antitrust violation. The fundamental antitrust statute is simple in its reach: if two parties enter into an agreement that restrains trade unreasonably it is unlawful. The result of the NCAA voting is an agreement between and among the institutions that will result in a reduction of competition because the remaining schools outside the top five conferences that will not be able to compete for that student athlete. The larger conferences have the financial ability to financially overpower schools with less sports revenues. Simply put, the large sports revenue-driven institutions will have a monopoly-like power and ability to dominate the recruitment market, resulting in a suppression of competition.
This is a classic antitrust cartel that is often seen in rule-making provisions of organized trade or professional associations. Those that have power and financial ability are able to dominate and suppress competition through internal rule making over those less well-off entities.
Whether the NCAA’s new pay-to-play compensation packages are considered, by analogy, a form of price-fixing as the federal judge in the O’Bannon case has ruled on a similar issue or another form of horizontal restriction, the consequence is the same: the recruitment market for athletes has been restrained, as demonstrated by a decrease in the competition in the recruitment of athletes.
Finally, it is likely that the new NCAA compensation plan, which goes beyond the award of the cost of attendance, will be found to be a commercial enterprise more akin to an employer-employee relationship and eventually regulated by the NLRB for private schools and state labor laws for public institutions. It is hard to conceive how such an outcome can be managed and coordinated for individual schools within Division 1 and within individual conferences, in order to field and schedule teams within a unified calendar. The result could be chaos, with each school negotiating with each team a labor contract for “the terms and conditions” of playing for that institution.
In short, the more the nonacademic based compensation is awarded to the athlete, the more it removes the NCAA’s defense of “amateurism” and the important principle of the student athlete. As college sports are transformed completely by the new NCAA “autonomy” rules, by further commercialization and professionalization and by unintended consequences not yet known, the amateur college athlete and the nonrevenue sports teams may well end up on the losing side of the field of competition.
Tom Sullivan is president of the University of Vermont.
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Post by wtm97 on Oct 12, 2014 8:30:52 GMT -5
Tom may be onto something here...thinking this whole NCAA structure (even pre-BCS5) will eventually become a matter for the courts to sort out.
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Post by pc1971 on Oct 12, 2014 8:42:24 GMT -5
Tom may be onto something here...thinking this whole NCAA structure (even pre-BCS5) will eventually become a matter for the courts to sort out. Agreed.If it gets even worse,some politicians will be clamoring for legislative ,administrative or judicial relief.
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Post by dex on Oct 12, 2014 11:59:07 GMT -5
I would like to think that '71 ...we remember the pols forced va tech into the acc.
However the BCS5 has over 60 teams right now from coast to coast with constituent representation from pols of both parties.
Pols being natural cowards, methinks the courts are the only hope....unless of course the other 300 schools can enlist an army
of bleeding hearts to take up the cause. If we were back in the 60s we would destroy the bastages.
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