pc88
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Post by pc88 on Jan 4, 2014 21:28:40 GMT -5
With all the sh!t that gets posted here and in the other board, I was waiting for the "he's a tough kid" to come out after he decided to leave. Someone please post something from last March because I missed it, otherwise this just seems to be a PSA from PC to rationalize the transfer.
And with all the sh!t the Goodman's of the world gave Ledo, I'm shocked they weren't warning us of his transgressions either.
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Post by Rock on Jan 4, 2014 21:34:30 GMT -5
I'll go slower, FD. You can love and want a recruit here at PC and still, later on, rip on him as a potential failure elsewhere because he has failed to live up to and take responsibility for his indiscretions at PC. You run all over these boards suggesting otherwise and you're wrong. A repsonsible, stand-up Austin who takes his medicine, owns up to his behavior and remains at PC is an entirely different person than one that does none of those things and bolts to avoid taking responsibility. This explains why guys like me want the guy when he's recruited and want him to remain after his indiscretion but rip on him when he bolts. You hop on it being a hypocracy, but this is me explaining why it isn't. I couldn't care less if you, or any of your board costumes, accepts this. My explanation is more of a public service announcement.
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Post by diehardfriar on Jan 4, 2014 21:34:29 GMT -5
A kid I heard straight from the higher-ups in March that essentially "we're gambling with its one, he's a tough kid."
Oh Rock give me a break.....that's complete BS and u know it
We heard nothing but good things about Austin during his whole recruitment and if there was any mention or thought at all of him being a possible problematic player it was kept under wraps very very well that's for sure.......if what you're saying had any legs it would have been leaked and discussed on these boards 1000x over and over. What makes him a tough kid? being from Philly? what about all the other inner city kids on college basketball rosters? He's no different than anyone of them. To my knowledge he's never been in trouble with the law and wasn't an academic risk so I'm not sure what you're hinging your statement on. common knowledge kids growing up in Philly/NYC/Detroit are "tough kids"......doesn't mean they are bad kids
Let's not paint the kid to be a criminal the minute he leaves campus
The school dropped the ball....period
You say nobody indicts Austin over his behavior? what getting lucky with a girl that woke up with a guilt trip?
I'm still in the party of innocent UNTIL proven guilty
last time I checked hearsay(which is all anyone has right now on BA or RB) is inadmissible in the court of law as it should be in the court of public opinion
not a chance what happened was forced, cops would have been called......unless we want to believe the parents of the girl were satisfied with the school dishing out the punishment and just had no desire to see those who were responsible for the act be prosecuted and sent to prison..(like I know I would have if that was my kid)
next up:Kris Dunn
our basketball program is a disgrace right now
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Post by suspended poster on Jan 4, 2014 21:39:37 GMT -5
I'll go slower, FD. You can love and want a recruit here at PC and still, later on, rip on him as a potential failure elsewhere because he has failed to live up to and take responsibility for his indiscretions at PC. You run all over these boards suggesting otherwise and you're wrong. A repsonsible, stand-up Austin who takes his medicine, owns up to his behavior and remains at PC is an entirely different person than one that does none of those things and bolts to avoid taking responsibility. This explains why guys like me want the guy when he's recruited and want him to remain after his indiscretion but rank on him when he bolts. You hope on it being a hyperactive, this is me explaining why it isn't. I couldn't care less if you, or any of your board costumes, accepts this. My explanation is more of a public service announcement. What was this "horrible" indiscretion that Austin allegedly committed? It couldn't have been too egregious if wasn't expelled. I will give you this, your arrogance is unparalleled.
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Post by Rock on Jan 4, 2014 21:45:19 GMT -5
Oh, did I get under your skin FD? The indiscretion earned him a suspension. I questioned the punishment like we all did but it is what it is. A man would have stood up, taken the hit and made the best of it. He ran. He'll be less of a student/athlete as a result. That's my take. If that makes me arrogant, so be it. If I'm wrong I'll own up to it in a heartbeat.
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Post by dmac80 on Jan 4, 2014 21:49:23 GMT -5
I hope all the sheeple backing the admin are happy. Now that he's gone I hope he sues the hell out of PC for railroading him in the name of political correctness. No criminal charges means it should be a slam dunk, pun intended. What a waste.
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Post by suspended poster on Jan 4, 2014 21:49:44 GMT -5
Oh, did I get under your skin FD? The indiscretion earned him a suspension. I questioned the punishment like we all did but it is what it is. A man would have stood up, taken the hit and made the best of it. He ran. He'll be less of a student/athlete as a result. That's my take. If that makes me arrogant, so be it. If I'm wrong I'll own up to it in a heartbeat. What is in the indiscretion? Is he a man or a kid? Normally we hear the mantra they're just "kids" when a current PC player makes a mistake. However now that Austin has left PC he's a "man". As far as what makes you arrogant. I would be hospitalized with carpal tunnel if I had to type a response.
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Post by Rock on Jan 4, 2014 21:52:43 GMT -5
With all the sh!t that gets posted here and in the other board, I was waiting for the "he's a tough kid" to come out after he decided to leave. Someone please post something from last March because I missed it, otherwise this just seems to be a PSA from PC to rationalize the transfer. And with all the sh!t the Goodman's of the world gave Ledo, I'm shocked they weren't warning us of his transgressions either. Why would I or anyone else post such a thing last March? Fair game that I shouldn't say it now, good point. My bad. After all, none of my comments in this thread need that revelation anyway. But let's face it, the kid didn't last a month before being suspended for a year! Not something that actually disqualifies my March comment, now does it? Again, agreed I could have made my points without quoting the kid was a tough one to handle.
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Post by diehardfriar on Jan 4, 2014 21:55:33 GMT -5
Oh, did I get under your skin FD? The indiscretion earned him a suspension. I questioned the punishment like we all did but it is what it is. A man would have stood up, taken the hit and made the best of it. He ran. He'll be less of a student/athlete as a result. That's my take. If that makes me arrogant, so be it. If I'm wrong I'll own up to it in a heartbeat. maybe if the hit was warranted but right now with the facts we have(or lack thereof) it proves everything but that
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Post by dmac80 on Jan 4, 2014 21:56:18 GMT -5
This is more than a setback info - the implications on many levels are quite serious. Thinking Cooley has to be more than upset with this whole mess...and the recruiting has just gotten that much harder. Good luck recruiting in the Philadelphia area. Think they'll forget what happened to BA? Why would any young man want to come to PC and get "Austined" by school administrators? I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this has major implications going forward for the program. The school will get it when Cooley leaves and their season ticket holders and donors fall away but then I doubt the politically correct school administrators who controlled all of this actually care about the basketball program anyway.
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Post by thumper on Jan 4, 2014 21:57:10 GMT -5
What a pathetic collection of commentary on this. It's incredible to me. Austin escapes indictment here because PC took it's time considering a reversal of its original verdict to wipe him out for the year. Yet, nobody indicts Austin over his behavior? A kid I heard straight from the higher-ups in March that essentially "we're gambling with this one, he's a tough kid." I say PC has to take that chance and I say they have to cleanse that decision if they see trouble. I also loath the "Cooley is in trouble recruiting now". Yeah, sure. Whatever. Ed will get players. Period. Now, will he smartly take enough guards, properly evaluate the risks of guys like Ledo and Austin? I dunno, but he'll get guys. And can we stop engaging all the incarnations of FD (I've lost count how many of them there are), each of whom uses argumentative hyrogrifics to parse observations against the unknowns of what a player eventually becomes - all mixed with smarmy, irrelevant attempts to cheapshot fans for their swipes at an archrival like UConn (which I hate just as much incidentally). Austin is about to become what the Duke Mondy's of our past have become - nice box scores wrapped around a big fat nothing of accomplishment. This comment will get called two-faced rationalization by the likes of FD but it's more than that. It's seeing a person for the limits of their behavior, their mistakes. Karma is a snitch, as they say. I wanted Austin in black & white and I wanted him to stay. Had he done so I would have praised the wisdom of his decision, the opportunity to erase his indiscretion and to rewrite his history, thereby not becoming the next Mondy; but he has chosen otherwise and my calling him out doesn't make me (or those thinking as I do) an apologists or PC lackey. Instead, it makes us right. I dont know if the PC administration should have give this kid a pass, I really don't. I can't decide if his actions should have resulted in expulsion of suspension or neither. I can't. I can suggest PC should have given heavier weight to Cooley's thoughts on it though and that Austin should have remained here regardless. Of this I am certain. For all the remaining sanctimonious bull-sheet I'm reading here, save it. It makes you neither enlightened or insightful, just petty. Rock, I concur. A bitter pill to swallow and who knows what Ed will do. But I had come to the conclusion, prior to tonight's announcement, that the school and its image as a Catholic institution is more important than its basketball team, Brandon Austin and Ed Cooley. The school's Code of Conduct was violated. To turn its head would have had worse implications on the college. Those fans that didn't attend the college might not understand. Even some of those that did will take winning over ethics. But we must move forward. I expect it to be ugly around here and the "miserables" will be in their glory again. The stench from Fall River will be strong. But you and I, and many others will stand by PC as it will overcome this adversity. GO PC, PIZZA, SODA, GRINDERS!!!
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Post by Rock on Jan 4, 2014 21:58:41 GMT -5
In the interest of your potential carpel tunnel FD I will truly work on my humility. In fact, I'll even pray to the "little man in the sky" to help me with that. I've always taken great pride in my humility. Incidentally, I use the term kid and man interchangeably with players, as most do. I consider them more men than kids. A mature, responsible Austin would have remained here to clean his resume and rebuilt his PC history, which will now always have this stain on it. That's my opinion and again I think he's rendered himself to a nice collection of box scores but not a successful, winning collegient career. We'll see.
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Post by pc88 on Jan 4, 2014 22:04:25 GMT -5
With all the sh!t that gets posted here and in the other board, I was waiting for the "he's a tough kid" to come out after he decided to leave. Someone please post something from last March because I missed it, otherwise this just seems to be a PSA from PC to rationalize the transfer. And with all the sh!t the Goodman's of the world gave Ledo, I'm shocked they weren't warning us of his transgressions either. Why would I or anyone else post such a thing last March? Fair game that I shouldn't say it now, good point. My bad. After all, none of my comments in this thread need that revelation anyway. But let's face it, the kid didn't last a month before being suspended for a year! Not something that actually disqualifies my March comment, now does it? Again, agreed I could have made my points without quoting the kid was a tough one to handle. Fair enough Rock and I don't disagree with anything else you said. Just about every "difficult" kid we've taken it has been pretty well known that they were difficult. I don't remember Austin begin viewed in that regard by us here, the national press or the very difficult Philly press.
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Post by Rock on Jan 4, 2014 22:05:07 GMT -5
I think Ed still recruits well wherever he goes and hat the hit is largely overstated in the heat of the moment right now. I've said it a million times already, the real measure is what fellow BE schools would have done in similar situation and that narrative is gonna play out behind the scenes on the recruiting trail. It'll smoulder a bit for awhile, especially in Philly but Ed will recover on this. Finally, remember, I've been consistent on this: absent academic disqualification or a police situation I find the one year suspension (effectively "with pay") to be extreme and it hisses me off as an invested Friar fan but I have many around me whose opinion I value disagree with me so who knows.
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mikemc
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Post by mikemc on Jan 4, 2014 22:07:58 GMT -5
Hose Job>>>>>
Wouldn't be surprised the kid suits up somewhere Jan.21 2014...
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