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Post by suspended poster on Mar 23, 2013 7:42:18 GMT -5
Goodman is a journalist. It's unfair to refer to him as a "fan". I don't think he's cheering for Ledo to declare for the draft. He's reporting that the 2013 draft is weak, while the 2014 draft is very strong.
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Post by drairf on Mar 23, 2013 8:12:06 GMT -5
The interesting thing to me is that Goodman suddenly put Ledo on the board. I know PC has had several NBA scouts on campus over the past few months to watch practice. Wondering if Goodman heard some positive reports from the scouts on Ledo.
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Post by thewalk on Mar 23, 2013 8:22:52 GMT -5
i hope like hell he doesn't but i think ricky's got to take a shot this year...this is the worst nba draft in history. But if he were going, wouldn't he be working out somewhere?
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Post by suspended poster on Mar 23, 2013 8:24:54 GMT -5
i hope like hell he doesn't but i think ricky's got to take a shot this year...this is the worst nba draft in history. But if he were going, wouldn't he be working out somewhere? Exactly.
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Post by pc1971 on Mar 23, 2013 22:08:04 GMT -5
You guys are amazing.
As we sit here today,Walk and Bob,please show us another viable draft site that shows Ledo in the Draft.
My son and searched yesterday and found none.
Nevertheless,you guys keep pounding that Ledo must go since the draft is so weak.The key question ,is Ricardo a definite number one as we sit here today?As of today, anyone trying to fair and objective on the subject would have to say No.Could that possibly change in the next month?Maybe.But,it is not the case today.
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Post by pcfriarsfan94 on Mar 23, 2013 23:56:59 GMT -5
It'd just be stupid for Ledo to enter the draft this year. He needs to stay here and do what Ben McLemore did, or he'll find himself going in the 2nd round and playing in the D league next year...instead of being a lottery pick next year, if he is as good as people are saying he is.
Here's what the guy who runs Draft Express told me, probably over a month ago... Jonathan Givony þ@DraftExpress - My guess is 50/50 he goes undrafted. Needed a season in college to ease concerns. RT @zwdavis94: Opinions on Ricky Ledo possibly declaring?
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Post by wtm97 on Mar 24, 2013 7:50:09 GMT -5
If possible, it is important to filter past the 'what we want' as Friar Fans and take a cold sober look at Ledo's prospects. That is what those who make the draft choices will be doing and that is who Ledo and his 'advisers' need to focus on going forward.
Biggest problem he faces are the changes in the declaration rules - I believe there is no longer any sort of "backing out" option, correct? So. unless he is told directly by an NBA team that they will in fact take him in the first round, he will be taking a big chance at falling short like most have in the past; many who had the talent - all who have faded into obscurity., forgotten with dreams hattered.
There are so few slots I guess that is why It is called a LOTTERY after all...so let's look at Ricky Ledo who hasn't played a minute of D1 ball; sure he has the pedigree package of size and ability but what has he done to date?
Well, let's see:
1. He screwed up his qualifications to even get a chance to play on the D1 level (good judgement?)
2. His prep teams/schools, (too many), never won any sort of major national recognition (Why?)
3. He is a kid from Rhode Island; Providence in fact - not exactly a hot bed of major hoops (Competition level?)
4. He has been practicing in relative obscurity with a long perceived bottom feeding Big East team (Against who?)
5. Never made McDonald's nor Parade All American status (moved around too much?)
6. He has never played vs. D1 opponents (Can he?)
Based on this, IF he is a LOCK as a First Round pick, even with a 'weak' draft, then he should continue his journey and move on; IF not, he most likely needs to stay and gain some cred and demonstrate how his abilities will actually translate in to something worthwhile...
Keep in mind, if he stays at PC, he can protect his prospects with access the insurance policy offered by the NCAA (at $0 out of pocket). Bottom line is hopefully he is getting sound and very sober advice and is not in the clutches of the 'whisperers" who have destroyed so many in this gambol of dreams.
He certainly should NOT listen to Gadfly Goodman.
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Post by Rock on Mar 24, 2013 8:22:23 GMT -5
Bob, there is no declare and withdraw procedure any longer in the NBA? I did not know that. Interesting. Here are my thoughts:
1. Hard to sight all of Ricky's bad decisions and not address his decision to come to PC! and how he has since prospered as a student and member of the Friar community.
2. If he can be assured top-20 by more than one team he has to go (one team isn't enough because lots of picks get traded). Not sure how he gets that assurance.
3. Yes, it's a bad draft but for Ricky you have to ask if it's a bad year for wings. If there are a number of them coming out then I don't care how bad the overall draft depth is, it could spell trouble for Ricky.
4. I don't think you can take much from Ricky not being in any mock drafts right now. I think it's seen as kind of slimy to project a kid sitting out a year as Ricky is doing. Once he declares he'll be in lots of mocks - most in late 1st or 2nd round I would guess.
5. I think his final decision weighs heavily on how his local social peer group perceives him (or how Ricky sees them perceiving him) as a college player vs a kid so good he's "ready for the league". All his boys telling him PC and EC is the way to go then he stays. They all talk up cash, fame (however fleeting) and working out for NBA teams, getting to meet this guy, that guy, seeing your name in draft articles etc.....then buh buy.
6. Lastly, if next year is such a King Kong draft why hasn't anyone suggested that Ricky actually play a whole two years of college basketball and enter the much weaker (one would think) 2015 draft and really clean up? Why take such a HUGE gamble this year when 24 months later he can apparently have it all? Is life that short suddenly?
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Post by drairf on Mar 24, 2013 9:54:08 GMT -5
Just to note, he did make the Jordan Classic, which many now see as a more true group of elite talent because Jordan takes 5th year seniors while McD's does not. Ricky was really never eligible for McD's because he was never a 4th year senior. He was certainly more highly regarded as a talent than Dunn so I'm sure he would have been a McD's if eligible.
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Post by friara on Mar 24, 2013 10:12:43 GMT -5
Dunn was a McD AA because there were very few standout point guards. There were a lot of great wings to choose from, so I don't know if Ledo would have made it, especially because he did not have a very good senior year at South Kent.
I agree with WTM. I don't see how a scout can rank Ledo above all of the other top 2 guards that get seen in actual games all year. There are a lot of them, too. Maybe he is a first round pick and maybe he is not, but I just can't see the logic of not wanting to actually showcase your talents in front of these scouts so that a proper evaluation can assure you of that first round status.
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Post by thewalk on Mar 24, 2013 10:31:24 GMT -5
71 - do not confuse this with me wishing ledo enter the draft. i hope like hell he doesn't (100% selfish) just as i hope batts sticks around for another year (also 100% selfish). I'll trust your sons research but i've seen mcw as a top 10 pick everywhere and if ledo is anything close to what's being reported, i'd think he is a first round lock.
94 - just so i understand. Ledo is good enough to put us in the top 10 next year but not good enough to make an nba roster?
Rock - i can tell you nothing about the draft next year...just that this year's draft is a joke. As for playing 2 years at PC, the only way i see that happening is if next year is a disappointment. Is this even an option?
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Post by drairf on Mar 24, 2013 13:25:20 GMT -5
Dunn was a McD AA because there were very few standout point guards. There were a lot of great wings to choose from, so I don't know if Ledo would have made it, especially because he did not have a very good senior year at South Kent. Ledo was an easy McD's if he was eligible. Rivals.com had him at the 6th best player in the nation (at any position). Max Preps had him at 18. ESPN had him at 21 . Frankly, it's harder to make the Jordan Classic now because they allow 5th year seniors. More competition for the same amount of spots. And similar to what Walk said above, if anyone believes Ledo would NOT have been a McD's, then I'm not sure why we expect him to lead us into the Top 25 in his first year. Doesn't add up, does it? As for me, I'm certain he would have been a McD's and I also think he will be a star in his one year at PC if he chooses to play in college.
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Post by friara on Mar 24, 2013 14:01:10 GMT -5
I always thought McD and ESPN were working together for the selection. Ledo was ranked behind all of the other shooting guards in that game by ESPn. That is why I am not sure he would have been selected. I have always heard that the mcDonald game is very political.
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Post by pcfriarsfan94 on Mar 24, 2013 14:09:05 GMT -5
If all key players are here, including Batts... Top 25 team without Ledo, possible top 15 team with Ledo...never said top 10 or even definite top 15. I personally don't think he is as good as people make him out to be, but of course he would make us a lot better and more dangerous with his length and shooting ability.
He needs at least another year here with Cooley to prove his maturation, and he needs to prove himself against some actual competition...He's done nothing. No way I take Ledo in the 1st round if I'm an NBA GM, just insane.
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Post by thewalk on Mar 24, 2013 14:41:09 GMT -5
You (and others) continue to make Ben mclemore comparisons....part of mclemores draft status ( a big part imo) has to do with Kansas being in the top 5 all year.
So Ledos going to take an nit 5 seed minus a pg to the top 15 but he's not that good?
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