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Post by pcfriarsfan94 on Mar 24, 2013 15:13:02 GMT -5
When did I say he's "not that good"?
I don't see us missing VC, and I expect big things from Dunn...We also add the 2 trasfers, our recruiting class, and I like what we have returning if all key players are back. It's not just Ledo, but I see him as the one that makes us a serious lethal team with his length on the wing on defense and ability to light it up.
Also, we would have been better than an NIT 4 seed if we weren't so unfortunate with the injuries.
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Post by wtm97 on Mar 24, 2013 16:01:52 GMT -5
More rambling ricky thoughts (in no logical order) I was trying to look at Ledo's prospects as a stand alone set apart from how he will/would affect PC but that is fine - it actually does give some context for his decision as well. Not saying he wouldn't have been a MC'D's AA; just saying he was not. Understand (and watched) his selection and performance in the Jordan Classic last year. In my mind's eye anyway, I do think the balance between talent and perception of value vs. the absence of a single minute of D1 play is an important factor as is his gypsy movement among preps - especially without a huge national 'rep' (like Noel, Shabazz Muhammad, apparently ALL of KY recruits coming in, etc.) Yes, Ricky sure seems to have thrived here at PC based on his first semester performance in the classroom and who knows maybe he actually likes being in college. Additionally there is the "hometown" factor and his chance to carve a legacy - something he really has not done what with all the prep school chasing he has done. Regarding underclassmen and draft declaration, I do recall a recent change - I may be wrong but I believe there has been a change - perhaps regarding the deadline and then pulling back out (without signing with an agent, etc.) I did find this from last year: espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog/_/name/katz_andy/id/7721794/new-draft-rule-serves-more-confusionWe will know more shortly - there is confusion on entry dates (April 10 vs. April 28) and apparently the NBA final date for issuance of a listing appears to be May 2.
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Post by drairf on Mar 24, 2013 16:37:51 GMT -5
I always thought McD and ESPN were working together for the selection. Ledo was ranked behind all of the other shooting guards in that game by ESPn. That is why I am not sure he would have been selected. I have always heard that the mcDonald game is very political. Didn't realize McD's and ESPN worked together. ESPN definitely had him ranked the lowest of the known lists, so if this is the case I can see your point. McD's is very political (see Scott Hazleton and Neil Fingleton, who both made McD's due to it being played in MA that year). WTM, understand that Ledo wasn't a McD's, but neither was Nerlens Noel for the same reason - not eligible (though obviously Noel was much more of a lock had he been eligible). But I'm not sure there is any scout at the NBA level or college level who saw Dunn as a better prospect last year. I don't think it's relevant to an NBA scout's analysis.
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Post by friar71 on Mar 24, 2013 17:15:10 GMT -5
You (and others) continue to make Ben mclemore comparisons....part of mclemores draft status ( a big part imo) has to do with Kansas being in the top 5 all year. So Ledos going to take an nit 5 seed minus a pg to the top 15 but he's not that good? I think exposure with a top team definitely does that. But many of the mock drafts are run by writers. I think the draft camps where top players go against top players is where the actual NBA people make their decisions. But there is one Mclemore comparison I wonder about . If he is so highly rated this year, why was he not considered in last year's NBA draft . He was not listed in the March 2012 mock drafts I saw.
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Post by thewalk on Mar 24, 2013 17:34:40 GMT -5
When did I say he's "not that good"?....if it would be stupid for him to enter the draft, I assume it would be because he isn't that good....or do a couple dozen message board posters know more about the kids draft prospects than 30 nba GMs.....
71 - I believe mclemore let everyone know he was coming back....in also don't believe he was rated as high.
...and 94 you're nuts if you think we won't miss council....at least the version we saw from feb 1st - mar1st.
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Post by Cteve on Mar 24, 2013 18:27:08 GMT -5
It isn't really what he wants. If his advisers tell his immediate family that now's the time, he has to go. If we hear --soon--that Ledo is going to pre-draft camp then it's over IMO.
I have no idea if Ed regularly hosts NBA scouts at practice? I'd imagine they'd tell him what's going on and where they think Ledo projects. I didn't expect him to be eligible for '12 I don't expect him in '13. It would be nice to be surprised (and wrong).
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Post by pcfriarsfan94 on Mar 24, 2013 18:57:07 GMT -5
When did I say he's "not that good"?....if it would be stupid for him to enter the draft, I assume it would be because he isn't that good....or do a couple dozen message board posters know more about the kids draft prospects than 30 nba GMs..... 71 - I believe mclemore let everyone know he was coming back....in also don't believe he was rated as high. ...and 94 you're nuts if you think we won't miss council....at least the version we saw from feb 1st - mar1st. In his 4 years here, I don't recall him playing well in a big game once. Also his career FT% with under 7 minutes to go in games must be around 30%. Solid floor general, but he was a small time player, you don't miss players like that...I'm ready for the Dunn era, who has serious star potential. I'm getting more and more confident in Dunn as a PG, and I'm sure Cotton will have improved PG skills next season also with his work ethic.
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Post by thewalk on Mar 24, 2013 19:29:52 GMT -5
I heard a kmac interview where he said scouts are regularly attending practice.
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Post by friara on Mar 27, 2013 5:11:26 GMT -5
The ESPN draft analysts don't think much of Ledo. He isn't even in consideration for being a first round pick.
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Post by thewalk on Mar 27, 2013 7:31:30 GMT -5
is he anywhere?...they may be assuming he's not putting his name in.
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Post by friara on Mar 27, 2013 7:48:00 GMT -5
Opposite. They have him likely to declare.
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Post by colonel on Mar 27, 2013 10:36:20 GMT -5
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Post by TheInfoMan on Mar 27, 2013 10:48:46 GMT -5
April 16th. Oh man, us Friar-loyalists will need a fresh load of towels to sweat this one out. Actually, my 1st towel is dedicated to the Baylor game.
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Post by drairf on Mar 27, 2013 14:33:06 GMT -5
I have heard there is an additional period of time, until the 28th, where they wait for an NBA evaluation. So, I believe we will be waiting until 4/28 if Ricky requests the evaluation.
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Post by suspended poster on Apr 9, 2013 13:49:15 GMT -5
Maybe Goodman knew more than us "super fans". Gotta give JGood his due.
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